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I just hope the Big 12 saves Boise from this pathetic Big Least vs. Mtn Worst dilemma....
Wow mixed feelings. I love the ECU addition - they're really a great fan base for football. But um, Tulane is a head scratcher with their abysmal attendance but I'm sure New Orleans tv market came into play.
I'm hoping the ACC only picks up one of the big 3 programs left in the BE, preferably UConn. Hopefully Navy can come in a year earlier and then we'd have the following divisions for 2014:
West
Boise / UH / San Diego St / SMU / Tulane / Temple / Memphis
East
Cincy / Louisville / S Florida / Central Fla / E Carolina / Navy
It literally is a reconfig of CUSA teams from 10 years ago but like I said, Boise is going to make it work for the long run. That East division will be especially tough.
I just hope the Big 12 saves Boise from this pathetic Big Least vs. Mtn Worst dilemma....
There is a decent chance the Big East votes to disband, at least as a football conference. There is not much point in further cobbling together nationwide also-rans to preserve a conference that doesn't even have an automatic BCS bid anymore.
To explain: the current basketball-only schools can control their own destiny if they act before the most recent batch of recruited schools (UH, SMU, etc.) join. They can disband the Big East and then re-associate sans Louisville/Connecticut (whichever doesn't go ACC), Cincinnati, and USF. If those schools then want to rejoin, they'd have to agree to let go of the football expansion silliness.
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Boise State is going to get left out in the cold by the big conferences in the race for 2014 for two reasons:
1) Nobody cares very much about whether their conference TV network is on basic cable in Idaho.
2) Boise State is somewhere around #95 in athletic department budget. Nobody outside the top 75 will get even a sniff.
MWC is the best option, especially if the Big East defectors repatriate.
Are you a Boise St alumn? A Boise resident?
No reason to do that imo. Theyre still the most attractive non-AQ conference and can take their pick of anyone from the MAC, Sunbelt, CUSA, and certain MWC teams.
As I mentioned above, the basketball-only schools are growing weary of being jerked around with football expansion, and may choose to act before the new schools join.
Not going to happen. The Big 12 is going to sit tight and see if the ACC implodes or not. The big 12 would much rather have 6 seats in the lifeboat to offer ACC refugees if that conference folds instead of only 4 with Boise and some other Big East/CUSA team already on board.
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I think there are only 5 or 6 teams up for grabs total, other conferences with more to offer are also pursuing them, and the Big 12 will get the schools two other conferences don't want, though for the Big 12's purposes those will be terrific additions.
As far as the SEC/B1G are concerned there's proobably only 5 or 6 teams that those two would be interested in. But from there the rest of the conference is there for the B12's choosing. I don't see a scenario where the SEC would take two teams, the B1G takes two teams and the Big12 takes anything less than 6 teams.
Tbh, I feel like the other school (if they invited Boise) would have to be BYU, which wouldn't be a bad addition.... solid academics, solid athletics, large national following.....
What is this all about, money or prestige, for the programs looking in towards the power conferences?
Think about it, Boise or Louisiville simply need to run the table with their schedule in the nBE and they will be in a BCS game...more often than not probably in the Final Four. Ultimately, they will get the same funds that teams like Minnesota or Ole Miss generate for just being in their respective conferences. Only difference being the latter two will get the $ no matter what the record is.
Secondarily, those two 'power' schools, for example, will hardly sniff any chance for a BCS bowl. Maybe that money will help their overall athletic program but surely isn't doing much with the football team. And spare me the "conference is too tough" excuse, because you had Kansas a game away from winning the Big 12 and Wake Forest actually winning the ACC in just the last 7 seasons. I believe Louisville/Boise are in better shape football wise as we stand right now above them and maybe a dozen other power schools.
Now if Boise also desires to be affiliated with these so-called prestigious programs, what good will that really do them? They're already a prominent name in the college football world, and I seriously doubt their academic standing will be lifted just because they're associated with the Big 12. If a certain Pac 10 school's academic reputation hasn't improved in their 34 years coupled beside Stanford and co, I'm guessing being aligned with UT-Austin won't either in that regard.
I still like the nBE going forward as a fine alternate option to the 'big 5' and can envision BYU/Air Force hopping aboard eventually when their supposed window of movement is effectively closed, and I think the leftover teams can consolidate now that regional proximity is completely irrelevant in college football bracketing.
Tulane has alot of potential if they can their together. They dominated C-USA in the late 90s in football and baseball and had a strong B-ball program in the 90s. Alot of talent in New Orleans and Louisiana. They have new football, basketball, and baseball facilities. They need to start winning again in those 3 sports.
BYU has a of a lot more to offer than West Virginia, yet after BYU and the B12 talked last year it was WV who got spot #10. Sure looks like one side or the other doesn't think it would be a good fit.
I grew up when Big East football was basically Miami and the yankee Bball schools. The writing was on the wall when the U left.
So for the known future:
PAC = 12 teams
BIG = 14
Big 12 = 10
SEC = 14
ACC = 13 plus ND
That's 64... how perfect.
It is perfect, but the ACC will add either Louisville or UConn.
If I was the Big 12, I wouldn't add anyone.
Which MWC would that be? The ultra terrible ones in football? Because the top programs just turned them down and now that they've lost Louisville I really doubt any of these small schools are in a hurry to boost travel costs for a non existent TV contract.
Louisville to ACC instead of UConn, alittle surprising tbh.
Not surprising at all. Louisville has the better football program. It was said yesterday that it was basically either Louisville or nobody.
I don't give a what BSU does because their basketball program is meh but I would love for SDSU to come back. I couldn't care much less about MWC football but basketball is great. The conference was the best out west last year and probably this year too. SDSU, UNLV and UNM make a great base for basketball.
I love what the ACC is becoming.
The academic snobs wanted UConn, but Florida State and Clemson wanted the best football program available. FSU and Clemson finally won a round.
Yep, UConn seemed to be a perfect match with the basketball schools in the ACC and is more similar to Maryland than Louisville. Im sure it helps that Louisville is solid in bball but still it definitely seems like the football schools had a say in this.
Its only because of travel that some MWC wouldnt jump ship. The MWC contract isnt very attractive, I dont think its unreasonable to assume that whatever contract the BE ends up getting will still be better than the MWCs. Still the most attractive non-AQ conference imo although tbf the MWC seems like the most stable one atm.
Travel plays a role but the bigger role is that BSU and SDSU just paid exit fees to leave the conference for more money and are likely to have to pay exit fees AGAIN before next season to find new homes or THE SAME home. The Big East isn't attractive at all to most teams because of the uncertainty. Whether or not its more attractive than the MWC will be seen when BSU and SDSU make their decisions but even if it is thats not saying much. The MWC contract has a few years left and then its going to get much better.
In the end I think what is going to do the ACC in is the amount of tv revenue they will be receiving. It is considerably lower than the sec, b12, and b10 even with lvile going on board. One major team leaves like FSU then I think everyone jumps over board looking for better payouts from other conf.
Big12 needs a championship game. You just saw this season that a 1 loss big12 school will have trouble making the 4 team playoff while there might be 3 SEC teams in it if it was in effect this season. Someone is going to have to run the table to have a chance at the MNC.
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