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I don't think, when push comes to shove, that the contentiousness will be as sharp as you think it will be. This is another rally point for moderate Republicans ala' the recent Fiscal Cliff response by the moderate faction.
It's gonna happen. Suck it, all you xenophobic jackholes. :stirpot
Seriously, the only question is how far it will go for the undo ented/illegal/pickyerterm: Instant amnesty, formal legal status, some hybrid or something else.
Democrats see it as a wedge issue between the GOP and hispanics, and it will be an instant goad to get the immigrant bashers on the right to say something stupid that will put off the coveted demographic.
As one GOP latino opined: "They will not be hearing our conservative messages if we are threatening to deport their grandmothers".
True that.
Obama will push for immigration reform, White House says
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/o...-politics.html
What would Republican-led immigration reform look like?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/r...-politics.html
Outgoing Senator Hutchinson is ringing the doorbell and running away:
Jon Kyl, Kay Bailey Hutchison introduce immigration reform bill
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84274.html
Sens. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas and Jon Kyl of Arizona – who are both retiring after this term – introduced the bill, called the ACHIEVE Act, which they touted as a alternative to the DREAM Act that could garner bipartisan support. The legislation is highly unlikely to be considered in the jam-packed lame-duck session, and it’s unclear whether it will be introduced again by other legislators in the next Congress.
Still, the senators stressed that Congress needs to jump-start the discussions on reforming immigration laws, particularly for the so-called DREAM Act kids.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2DYLNKGEY
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I have a feeling this will get really nasty after we get through the fiscal cliff debate. As a rank-and-file Democrat, I look forward to the inevitable shot in the foot on the part of some high-profile Republican that will be held out as proof that Reflublicans view hispanics with thinly disguised distain. There will be something stupid said, ala "legitimate rape". True or not, it will make the Democratic case easier, and make for greatly amusing political theater for me.
Get down to brass tacks it is win-win for the Dems to push for this, and the newly dawned realization on the part of the GOP establishment that they need to do SOMETHING to court Hispanics will seel the deal.
Personally I think the DREAM act is an awesome idea, and would push for something a bit further and more comprehensive.
I don't think, when push comes to shove, that the contentiousness will be as sharp as you think it will be. This is another rally point for moderate Republicans ala' the recent Fiscal Cliff response by the moderate faction.
Hopefully not. I will find it amusing if it happens, as it will have been sadly predictable.
It is an issue that deserves a bit more serious reflection, but then politics is rarely about such.
Love 'em, hate 'em, indifferent, 20M people aren't going away. We can either deal with them, their children and grandchildren in a thoughtful, respectful way, and realize the vast human potential they represent or be idiots and attempt to marginalize them for short-sighted, irrational/emotional reasons.
I don't think the Republicans understand how politics work anymore. It's hard for me to see how capitulating on immigration reform is going to move the needle at all on Latino opinions about the GOP. The GOP's problem isn't as simple as Latinos disliking their stance on immigration reform. This will just be seen as a cynical desperate ploy.
I don't think the GOP can fix the problem. It would take a bunch of people taking an interest in the local Hispanic community wherever they are. They'd need to be visible, shake hands, learn people's names and the names of their families, participate in community events, volunteer their time, ask questions and answer questions. You have to convince people you care about them and then maybe they'll listen when you talk about what you believe and why they should vote a certain way. Maybe then you'd be able to craft a message about the importance of protecting the borders without making people whose families have been here for 100 years feel like you think they're just a bunch of third-world invaders who are destroying the country, or making them think you want to deport their abuelita.
I just don't believe the GOP could do that. If they were to start talking about having gone into the Hispanic community and learning what they're concerned about, and finding common ground on this or that conservative policy, they'd get absolutely crucified by their Anglo base. Too big a portion of the Anglo base DOES think of every single Hispanic as a third-world invader who is destroying the country, and to say otherwise would make you a "liberal squish." I don't believe this has anything to do with conservative policies anymore.
So of course some Republican is going to say something "stupid" and alienate Hispanics. Except it's not really "stupid" but rather revealing about their true beliefs.
The Democrats had room in the 1960's and 1970's to turn their back on the racists and Jeebo s in their coalition. It cost them the Presidency for most of the period between 1968-1992, but I could see how they didn't want to get to the point where everyone else's disgust with the racists and Jeebo s whittled down their coalition to the point where they couldn't win national elections anymore, yet couldn't continue to exist without the racists and Jeebo s.
The GOP apparently didn't think that far ahead.
Jeb Bush 2016!
Honestly, if Jeb Bush's last name weren't "Bush", he'd have a much better chance. Then again, if his last name wasn't Bush he might not have been elected in the first place.
if you're not for mass amnesty, open borders, bankruptcy and north american union you're a racist jeebo
The only issue that I have is that if they get amnesty for not paying taxes for say a decade then where does that leave the rest of us? It's ed.
Meh, post 1965 was a period of transition for the Democrats as the minorities began to take leadership positions in the party. The old southern planter types migrated to the GOP over the 70s until the major exodus invited by Reagan which helped earn him landslides. It wasn't possible 'turn their backs on them' because one changes rather than turn your own back on yourself. That's just turning around.
it isn't fair, their kids went to school and got good educations without paying school taxes..they get welfare for claiming their illegal family members as dependents..the big elephant in the room that no one wants to address is that the illegals broke the healthcare system and hence obamacare. once they pay back the 1 or 2 trillion they owe in backtaxes and theft call me and i'll think about immigration reform for 2 seconds instaed of 1 before i laugh.
"amnesty for not paying taxes"
probably well over 90% are members of Bishop Gecko's 47%.
Get back at me about that condom offer.if you're not for mass amnesty, open borders, bankruptcy and north american union you're a racist jeebo
lmfao you can always count on be@ner-wife to show up to defend the honor of illegal be@ners everywheresup pussyboy?
Then they are not issue but not all of them are is the point and making up numbers is fun and all but i am more interested in reality not boutonspeak.
A lot of illegal immigrants do pay taxes, actually.
Free condoms mang! Think about it.lmfao you can always count on be@ner-wife to show up to defend the honor of illegal be@ners everywhere
brah real talk you're quick to any threads involving beans..you should be an immigration lawywer
I guess that would make you a foreskin lawyer, tbh.
that's really telling me
Sure and even if the generous estimates of 50% are paying their taxes that still leaves half that do not. A solution needs to be found for it and 'oh well let's just amnesty that too' is not an acceptable one.
It's really hard to come up with something as cutting and witty as be@nerwife, tbh.
I can't think of any solution that will gather a good amount of taxes. Make the penalty too high and immigrants will just stay in the shadows. I think if you can prove residency for a certain amount of years (let's say, 10 or 15, but that could be higher), and a clean record, then you'd be put on a probationary period and have to pay X amount of money, after which you could get a green card and then try to apply for citizenship.
stealing my don't care, minimal effort shtick now i see
I can tell how minimal your effort is and how little you care by the lack of responses you generate.
I am not concerned with the income as much as I am about equal protection. Most of the time I am pragmatic but when it comes to certain ideals such as cruel and unusual punishment, illegal search and seizure, freedom of speech and the press, presumption of innocence and equal protection I do not give a about the short term benefits because allowance of the tenants of tyranny for any short term gain is an allowance of tyranny. That non-citizens would receive better treatment than citizens obeying the law is wrong on several of those levels.
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