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    BTW, Spurs are blowing them out in an ugly game in case you are really watching.

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    Kind of like when you claimed Gaddafi gave away nuclear weapons? Even when (I was giving you the benefit of the doubt) You should have known that Gaddafi never had nuclear weapons to give away?

    You don't go to UTSA do you?
    I said 'instrumental to the proliferation of nuclear weapons to states hostile to our own.' Again he had stockpiles of uranium and enrichment equipment. There was a known collaborative effort between Pakistan, Iran, Libya and North Korea. You are creating a strawman because you lack the reading comprehension and vocabulary of an 8th grader.

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    I said 'instrumental to the proliferation of nuclear weapons to states hostile to our own.' Again he had stockpiles of uranium and enrichment equipment. There was a known collaborative effort between Pakistan, Iran, Libya and North Korea. You are creating a strawman because you lack the reading comprehension and vocabulary of an 8th grader.
    You said providing nuclear weapons to states hostile to our own

    Seriously dude. Quit fighting the quicksand. You got owned again.

    There is always tomorrow if I don't get bored and put you on ignore.

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    Oh and an incorrect statement is not hyperbole.



    Admitting you lied about Libya giving away nukes to try to win your new argument on "hyperbole" definition smack?

    This is priceless.

    And to think I considered putting you on ignore because you were so ing stupid.
    That's not an admission. Your assertion is that I am wrong in stating that and then calling it hyperbole. Given your premise, you clearly did not understand the meaning of the word. You really suck at logic. I am not kidding; your ability to come to a conclusion given iden ies is just .

    Me saying that something is something is not the same thing as me saying that I myself and doing that thing. You were demonstrated this yesterday yet you repeat the same mistake once again. That is the sign of a lack of intelligence or more specifically the inability to learn.

    Let's steer this topic back though:

    1) Iraq's invasion of Kuwait is what precipitated the breakdown of relations between our states.
    2) Libya was still stockpiling nuclear materials and the equipment used to make them fissionable, chemical weapons, and collaborating with Iran, Iran and North Korea while lying to the IAEA about it's endeavours.
    3) Syria has been allied with the Soviets and not us for over 50 years.

    So exactly what is your issue with the current administration? The deposing of Mubarak? The intelligence community not getting it right the day after the attacks?

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    And you sound like the typical ignorant that feels threatened by intelligence. Age smack coming from a boomer is hilarious. I would much rather be that kid then a member of the largest failure of a generation than the last one the gilded age spat out. I talk the way that i think and only dumb myself down for kids and even then I try and push them to a greater vocabulary. If you like to mire yourself in the world of a simpleton then go ahead but again your criticisms because I refuse to stoop to said level are again hollow.

    Iraq invaded Kuwait. That's what broke the 'that.'

    Libya was instrumental in the proliferation of nuclear weapons to states hostile to our own. Kadhafi had 'cleaned himself up' before that too. Nevermind his attacks or support of attacks against the US and our allies.

    And i never said that you claimed Syria was an ally. I never claimed that you said the other two were either. This goes back to your lack of considering logical extensions. Think some more and if you still fail then i will once again hold your hand through the process.
    That is the exact quote. Now you are being dishonest. You lack honor.

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    That is the exact quote. Now you are being dishonest. You lack honor.


    You ****

    I cut and pasted your quote.

    The fact that you edited it after the fact and then call me dishonest speaks volumes about what a head you are.

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    So then you oppose the US trying to promote democracy in the Middle East....
    I have no opposition to promoting democracy. Force is not promotion.

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    It would have served US interests better to leave Hussein, Mubarek and Gaddafi in power.
    I disagree with Hussein, but agree with the other two.

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    Throwing the backing of the President of the United States behind the protestors and demanding Mubarek step down was hardly "nothing". It told the Egyptian military which way to jump, which resulted in Mubarek being overthrown.
    He probably would have had those first 112 cruise missiles heading his way that Gaddafi received instead if he had not complied.

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    IIRC, Obama didn't say anything until the writing was on the wall already for Mubarak.
    Bull . The writing wasn't written in stone, until it had the backing of our president. Just like in Libya. The Libyan civil war would have ended real fast if we didn't eliminate Gaddafi's ability to repel the rebels.

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    The Egyptians are grownups with their own country. I am neither happy nor upset about the fact they have decided to change their government. It just is.

    Should I be unhappy?

    If so, why?

    You seem to be attached to emotional arguments over dispassionate analysis. You should change that, it leads to bad conclusions based on faulty logic.
    I see you haven't seen the recent changes. Egypt will now be controlled by a tyrannical dictator.

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    @ RandomGuy, the Al Qaeda apologist.
    I now believe he is in bed with them.

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    Maddow is a fairly astute analyst,
    LOL...

    Seriously...

    LOL...

    You have to be joking...

    LOL...

    As partisan as she is...

    As much bull as she spews...

    LOL...

    You can't be that blind...

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    I don't know either but I'm pretty sure we don't want the muslim brotherhood running Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Bahrain.
    No .

    Anyone who thinks the Brotherhood has any intent other than imposing Sharia law, is pretty damn ignorant.

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    Right, but feeling it and saying it are two different things, or are you the only non-biased poster here?
    I have actually defended Bush in some instances concerning foreign policy. Make of that what you will.

    lol

    Wait some years = don't blame Obama.
    Nah, it really is the first time we did anything like this in the region. He'll get the blame if it goes to .

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    I see you haven't seen the recent changes. Egypt will now be controlled by a tyrannical dictator.
    So the net effect is no change.

    OK.

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    I see you haven't seen the recent changes. Egypt will now be controlled by a tyrannical dictator.
    Bad assumption on your part, or lame trolling. You tell me which.

    Yes, I know about Morsi's power grab. As noted before, we need to make sure that we are supporting the secular liberals that might prevent Egypt from becoming a theocracy.

    Suck on that as your best, seemingly preferred option. Delicious irony to me.

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    Bull . The writing wasn't written in stone, until it had the backing of our president. Just like in Libya. The Libyan civil war would have ended real fast if we didn't eliminate Gaddafi's ability to repel the rebels.
    That does not jibe with any of the analysis I have read.

    Our official position was that of a fence sitter, until it was well underway.

    You have deluded yourself about how much we could have influenced this, as you delude yourself about a lot of things.

    (edit)

    In a time honored diplomatic tradition, we hedged out bets until the winner became clear.

    What do you think would have happened had we supported him and he been overthrown anyway?
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    Yay, whackadoos!!!

    See what happens when you don't need evidence to support stuff? All sorts of fun theories just pop right up.

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    It's in our economic interest to preserve the totalitarian societies over that that are still our allies.
    I would heartily disagree.

    Totalitarian regimes are not permanent things. Preserving them is neither moral, nor in in our long term interests.

    This is one case where doing the right thing coincides with what is good for us.

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    "Totalitarian regimes are not permanent things"

    they don't have to be permanent, only live as long as the current generation of US propper uppers.

    Marcos/philippines
    Saddam/Iraq (our ally vs Iran)
    All heads of all Gulf Oil regimes
    Junta/Greece
    military/s. Korea
    etc, etc, etc.


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    Yay, whackadoos!!!

    See what happens when you don't need evidence to support stuff? All sorts of fun theories just pop right up.
    When one believes in the fantasies of the Bible or other worshipped text (esp the cherry-picked Bible), then fantasies are available in every realm.

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    When one believes in the fantasies of the Bible or other worshipped text (esp the cherry-picked Bible), then fantasies are available in every realm.
    not really.

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    LOL...

    Seriously...

    LOL...

    You have to be joking...

    LOL...

    As partisan as she is...

    As much bull as she spews...

    LOL...

    You can't be that blind...
    She is entertaining to watch.

    BUT

    She has her own narrative.

    I don't take her interpretations of anything as gospel, but having a viewpoint does not make anything she says automatically wrong, Wild ad hominem Cobra.

    Like any commentator, she should be taken with some reasonable skepticism and understanding of her narrative.

    That said, she is a fairly astute observer, whether you agree with her or not.

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