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they weren't even on the inactive list, however the particular fine you were reffering to was for putting a healthy player on the injured reserve. That was the rule that was broken.
Exactly. This "integrity of the game" line can't be selectively applied. Golden State all but issued a press release that they were going to lose enough games to retain their lottery pick, which would have conveyed to Utah if they won too many games. They started 18-21 and finished 5-22. Yeah, acquiring RJ had something to with it, but still.
they weren't even on the inactive list, however the particular fine you were reffering to was for putting a healthy player on the injured reserve. That was the rule that was broken.
Looking at the game book, all 4 players were not placed on the inactive list. They appear as 'Not with team'.
Got it... how about the 1985 case though?
I'm not sure. I know that you have to have 8 players in uniform and 13 on the roster.
I have no idea. What were the cir stances then?
max is 3, and can be extended to 4 if all the 3 in the list are currently injured and you get one more injured guy.
So let me get this straight. You can lose games on purpose to tank for a good draft pick. But you can't rest your star players in hopes of having them fresher for the playoffs?
The ironic thing is that Stern thinks he is apoligizing to Spurs fans while most of us diehards don't seem to care on this message board and all of us throughly enjoyed the game. What's the problem?
Rod Thorn, the NBA's vice president-operations, said Monday the Lakers were fined in 1985 for leaving Kareem Abdul-Jabar and Magic Johnson home rather than bringing them to a season-ending game in Kansas City
http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=3319,7397149
Source? I'd like to read the details.
Pop Didn’t See This Trouble Coming
It is easy to believe Gregg Popovich is surprised at David Stern signaling he will come down hard on the Spurs for resting everyone this side of George Gervin on Thursday against the Heat. Popovich not only used the same tact in the past without hint of retribution, he was incredulous late last season when asked whether there was concern from the NBA high sheriffs regarding his lineup decisions.
“Why would there be?” Popovich responded.
Because the league has fined teams before for sitting players en masse.
“I don’t know that,” Popovich said.
This was in April, as the Spurs’ R&R policy was becoming a league debate and getting particular attention with the obstacle-course moment of a back-to-back-to-back just before the playoffs. Popovich, long known for conserving minutes of a veteran roster anyway, had a team surging at the right time, in contention with the Thunder for something as valuable as the best record in the Western Conference and home-court advantage until at least the Finals, and he was still looking for nights off for Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.
“The first time we did it was in Portland,” Popovich said of the Feb. 21 game with Duncan and Parker resting and Ginobili injured. “For a variety of reasons, we sat our guys. I got a letter from a gentleman who was disappointed because he came to the game with his cousin, they paid money and they wanted to see so-and-so and so-and-so. I wrote him back and I said, ‘If I was in your position, I would write the same letter. I agree with you totally. You’re right. But my priorities are different than yours.’ In the general sense, frankly, everything doesn’t go our way in life. Everything go your way every day? Sometimes things happen. That’s the way it goes.”
Classic Pop.
The Spurs had their hand slapped last season for listing Duncan as a DNP – Old when Duncan got a March 25 hiatus against the 76ers, and Popovich said he wouldn’t go the snark route anymore, noting how “There are some that didn’t think that was humorous.” It is different, a reporter suggested, when a player can be inactive for a game as opposed to the days of old of needing to list a player as injured whether he was or not.
“Since that rule change,” Popovich said, “I’d be surprised if somebody’s been called like, ‘Why didn’t you play so-and-so today?’ I’ve never gotten a call like that and I don’t know anybody who has.”
Coaches don’t have to phony up a case of the flu or tendinitis.
“They’ve made honest individuals out of us all,” Popovich said. “It’s our opportunity to repent and be honest.”
Now to find out months later what it gets him.
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/1...s=iref:nbahpts
I don't see the difference from the 1990 case. Healthy players didn't play. Teams couldn't do that back then, they can now.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q76
A team must have a minimum of one and a maximum of three players on its Inactive List, although they can drop to zero for up to two weeks at a time, and can temporarily have four (bringing their roster size to 16) with league approval in the event of a hardship.
Stern obviously put some big bucks on the Spurs to beat the Heat, so when he found out that our 'big 3' weren't playing, he raged.
Well, the difference would be that in the 1990 case they were fined for putting allegedly healthy players on the injured list, but apparently that was not the case in 1985, which is closer to this situation.
We covered the spread tbh.
Something's not right.
1. As has been said, Pop didn't violate any rule at all.
2. He did this last season a lot, giving the big 3 layoffs against Portland (40 point loss), Utah (7 point loss that was compe ive until the end), Phoenix (4 point win in Steve Nash's last game as a Sun), and Golden State (6 point win where everyone who played was either a rookie or not part of the rotation). Why not crow then but crow now when it's the Spurs going against the Miami Heat?
I tell you if it were the Wizards Pop pulled this thing on no one would have batted an eyelash.
You don't get it LJ, you just don't get it.
Stern is a petty, egomaniacal vindictive bas . I fully understand basketball- wise why Pop's decision. Basketball- wise I even agree with it.
But you gotta see the big picture. You don't piss Stern off. You just don't do it. The resting your stars on national TV, the acting like a boorish ass with the media on TV, it will have consequences?
You don't remember game 6 at OKC last year? It's gonna be the same . 5- on-8. We're gonna be ed by rigged refs.
We're not the popular team we should be kissing his ass not aggravating him.
Again, I'm not a lawyer, but that strikes me as a distinction without a difference. Further, both cases were over 20 years ago under a different set of rules. Finally, and most importantly, I'm sure the Spurs would be just fine if Stern used those cases as a precedent to impose a similar penalty.
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Yeah, spread was originally Miami winning by at least 3 and later jumped to Miami winning by 13 when people found out the Big 3 would be resting.
Honestly, how would Pop know Stern would react this violently? Pop has been pulling this same thing for years ... going back to the Robert Sarver "chicken" game back in 2005. All of a sudden, Stern decides to say something? I'm sure Pop is stunned by the turn of events since Stern has never even hinted at being upset by it in the past.
You do realize the Spurs won championships in spite of not being Stern's favorites (except in the 2007 Suns series, because lol Suns)? Why should Pop pander to Stern considering he hasn't done that in his career yet?
F that. If Stern wants to run the NBA like the WWE, that's on him.
I would agree with that, except I know Pop plans to keep doing it going forward, and this time around he started early (don't think he sat the big 3 in november before). My main concern is both with pissing Stern off, and what happens going forward. I'm sure they'll be glad to pay a $25K fine for this, but what happens going forward?
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