There is no God and I can prove it.....

[redzero]

Mark just removed his stupid Rolex watch argument.

Mark, why would somebody agree that something exists if they don't actually believe that it exists?

You are really, really, stupid, and my insults aren't outdated since they are still valid.

[Avante]

Yet again, Avante resorts to the "I know you are, but what am I?" response.

Too stupid to come up with a compelling argument for anything, and too lame and unoriginal to come up with his own insults.



Then explain to me how one can not believe in something and believe in it at the same time, as you claimed in your previous post.

I guarantee that you will dodge this question--like you always do.

What a sad little sack of this freak is, wow! Cat is too stupid to realize he sucks at trying to argue the time of day.

So with that said...


Come over here punk. you want to argue? Pick a topic?

[mouse]

Mark just removed his stupid Rolex watch argument.

I moved it so it looks like I replied to you since I had posted it before you asked the question.

I was trying to not make you look foolish. As you can see your asking questions that I am answering a post ahead.

Mark, why would somebody agree that something exists if they don't actually believe that it exists?

Have you ever met me?

how do you know I exist? I could be one of Joe Chalupa's TRolls. have you ever seen Avante in person? And yet you reply to him.

You "don't" have to Believe in KARMA to know it might be real. I don't Believe 1/2 the Obama says that doesn't mean he is not the President.

why is this hard to sink in what are you drinking?

You are really, really, stupid,

More intelligence.

and my insults aren't outdated since they are still valid.

To who?

[redzero]

What a sad little sack of this freak is, wow! Cat is too stupid to realize he sucks at trying to argue the time of day.


So with that said...




Come over here punk. you want to argue? Pick a topic?

lol still copying me

how do you know I exist? I could be one of Joe Chalupa's TRolls. have you ever seen Avante in person? And yet you reply to him.

What does this have to do with my question? I both believe and agree that you exist. You failed to make a point.

You "don't" have to Believe in KARMA to know it might be real.

You're changing your argument. You didn't post anything about "might." This is about your statement being contradictory.

I don't Believe 1/2 the Obama says that doesn't mean he is not the President.

Those two things have nothing to do with each other. You're changing your argument. Whether you believe in Obama's speeches or not has no bearing on whether or not he is President.

You initially claimed that one can not believe that something exists while accepting that it exists. Explain to me how these two positions don't contradict each other.

Explain to me how somebody can not believe in God and accept that he exists at the same time.

[Avante]

redzero

Smart move, I don't blame ya.

[redzero]

You admitted that you don't care about making sense in this thread. I have no reason to debate with somebody who doesn't care that they use logical fallacies and strawmen all the time.

[Avante]

You admitted that you don't care about making sense in this thread. I have no reason to debate with somebody who doesn't care that they use logical fallacies and strawmen all the time.

You can't argue religion dumbass. Not surprised you don't know that. Those that believe can't prove anything, those that don't believe can't prove anything. So it goes nowhere. If you had any brains you'd know that.

[redzero]

You can't argue religion dumbass. Not surprised you don't know that. Those that believe can't prove anything, those that don't believe can't prove anything. So it goes nowhere. If you had any brains you'd know that.

Yet again, you embarrassingly miss the point. One can argue about anything without resorting to strawmen and logical fallacies. The fact that thus discussion is about religion is irrelevant to the point I was making. I can argue about religion without relying on logical fallacies, anecdotes and strawmen.

You are not excused from making logical sense just because there is no concrete proof for either side. The fact that you don't understand this shows how stupid and illogical you are.

Now, go ahead and try to change the topic like you always do.

[Avante]

Yet again, you embarrassingly miss the point. One can argue about anything without resorting to strawmen and logical fallacies. The fact that thus discussion is about religion is irrelevant to the point I was making. I can argue about religion without relying on logical fallacies, anecdotes and strawmen.

You are not excused from making logical sense just because there is no concrete proof for either side. The fact that you don't understand this shows how stupid and illogical you are.

Now, go ahead and try to change the topic like you always do.

Ok man lets argue religion.

I don't care if we can prove the existence of God, I don't care if it's logical or not, couldn't care less if it makes any sense, you see I have faith that He does exist. I feel better about about my time here on earth with that faith in a Supeior Being, so don't try and run logic or common sense by me, it won't matter at all.

Ok your turn.

[mouse]

Explain to me how somebody can not believe in God and accept that he exists at the same time.

I believe you was born with a brain, does it exists? after talking to you tonight I doubt it.

[redzero]

How am I supposed to respond to that? You just stated that you believe what you believe because it makes you happy; you admit that your belief is based purely on emotion, and you don't care about any logical opposition.

You already made up your mind and are refusing to use reason. There is no debating somebody like that.

[redzero]

I believe you was born with a brain, does it exists? after talking to you tonight I doubt it.

Yet again, you can't answer a simple question.

[Avante]

How am I supposed to respond to that? You just stated that you believe what you believe because it makes you happy; you admit that your belief is based purely on emotion, and you don't care about any logical opposition.

You already made up your mind and are refusing to use reason. There is no debating somebody like that.

Well no Sherlock. Didn't I say you can't argue religion? Do you really think those believers are tettering on the brink of being talked out of it, no! Do you really think those non believers are right there on the brink of changing their mind, no! You might wanna start paying attention when I tell ya something little fella.

You can argue Coke vs Pepsi, s or ass, Niners or Raiders, you can't argue religion.

[redzero]

You're wrong, though. People can argue about religion, and theists can use better arguments than "it makes me feel good," so your point is a dud.

People argue about many things and seldom change each other's minds. That's got nothing to do with being capable of making an argument that isn't illogical and full of fallacies.

[Avante]

Wrong as usual. No you really can't argue religion, you can give your opinion they give theirs but since we have no facts it's just opinions based on nothing other than ...opinions.

I'm in the mood to take you to school slick, so pick a topic.

I have a book on track, in the book the author mentions that only Ralph Metcalf and Eulace Pea had ever beaten Jesse Owens at a 100m. He totally missed James Johnson who also beat Owens. Well another guy on another board had that same book and told me I was wrong. That's an arguement because you can have a winner and a loser. After I showed him some results of Jackson beating Owens......

[redzero]

I'll repeat myself for the millionth time: just because there is no absolute, undeniable proof for either side, does not mean you don't have to make sense. You keep trying to excuse your illogical reasoning by saying, "It's all based in opinion anyway, so I don't have to make sense," as if all opinions are poorly thought out and not based on fact. That's false. I back up my statements with logic. You might disagree with me, but you can't deny that I try to make a logical argument. You, on the other hand, make illogical, fallacious arguments, and when you are called out on it, you never admit that your arguments are logically flawed; you just make excuses.

[Avante]

I'll repeat myself for the millionth time: just because there is no absolute, undeniable proof for either side, does not mean you don't have to make sense. You keep trying to excuse your illogical reasoning by saying, "It's all based in opinion anyway, so I don't have to make sense," as if all opinions are poorly thought out and not based on fact. That's false. I back up my statements with logic. You might disagree with me, but you can't deny that I try to make a logical argument. You, on the other hand, make illogical, fallacious arguments, and when you are called out on it, you never admit that your arguments are logically flawed; you just make excuses.

So you honestly believe you can use logic in arguing religion? How's that?

[redzero]

Is that a serious question?

I used logic to form my opinion. I looked at man's predisposition towards forming religions, and I looked at the complete lack of any evidence for the existence of any deities, to come to the conclusion that god is a man-made construct.

And before you claim that I need absolute proof to come to that conclusion, I will say that no, I don't. I don't need absolute proof in anything to come towards a LOGICAL conclusion. I don't need absolute proof that you are a human being, to come to the logical conclusion that you are one.

Use of logic doesn't automatically make one's opinion correct, but it is the best foundation for forming one the majority of the time.

[Avante]

Is that a serious question?

I used logic to form my opinion. I looked at man's predisposition towards forming religions, and I looked at the complete lack of any evidence for the existence of any deities, to come to the conclusion that god is a man-made construct.

And before you claim that I need absolute proof to come to that conclusion, I will say that no, I don't. I don't need absolute proof in anything to come towards a LOGICAL conclusion. I don't need absolute proof that you are a human being, to come to the logical conclusion that you are one.

Use of logic doesn't automatically make one's opinion correct, but it is the best foundation for forming one the majority of the time.

So you are trying to ignore the fact that we are dealing with the supernatural here and the laws that govern that are not the same as the laws that govern the natural. Do you really believe our puny little laws of reason apply here? Not everything has a logical explanation, you do know that, right? Little guy who never had a fight kicking the out of the big bully who did nothing but fight. Tons of things where logic simply doesn't work.

Forget logic, we are talking about something so far out of our relm of understsanding it's monstrous. To try and...well ya see logically..."....hahahaha!!!!!!!! Dude, we are talking God here, shine alll that logical bull it doesn't apply here.

Hamburger vs cheese burger ok now bring in your logic and reasoning.

[redzero]

So you are trying to ignore the fact that we are dealing with the supernatural here and the laws that govern that are not the same as the laws that govern the natural. Do you really believe our puny little laws of reason apply here?

Our laws and reasoning are the only thing we have to discern truth and untruth. Using logic, I have come to the conclusion that the supernatural doesn't exist, and I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Not everything has a logical explanation, you do know that, right? Little guy who never had a fight kicking the out of the big bully who did nothing but fight. Tons of things where logic simply doesn't work.

There are things that are unexpected and things that cannot be explained with the resources that are available. That doesn't mean anything is possible and it doesn't mean we should believe in anything without good reason.

Forget logic, we are talking about something so far out of our relm of understsanding it's monstrous. To try and...well ya see locically..."....hahahaha!!!!!!!! Dude, we are talking God here, shine alll that logical bull it doesn't apply here.

I'm not going to surrender logic and believe something that doesn't make any sense and has no basis in fact. That's not how humanity has prospered up until this point.

[Avante]

Our laws and reasoning are the only thing we have to discern truth and untruth. Using logic, I have come to the conclusion that the supernatural doesn't exist, and I have no reason to believe otherwise.



There are things that are unexpected and things that cannot be explained with the resources that are available. That doesn't mean anything is possible and it doesn't mean we should believe in anything without good reason.



I'm not going to surrender logic and believe something that doesn't make any sense and has no basis in fact. That's not how humanity has prospered up until this point.

What a boring ass you must be. Sound like a ing robot. Dude, go ahead and explain to me why we have the planets we do, why not more or less? Love to hear your explanation, give me the logical reasoning behind it all.

[redzero]

You can google that. You don't need me.

I will say, however, that the number of planets in our solar system is not set in stone, and there might be more planets out there.

And you are also resorting to logical fallacies yet again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

[koriwhat]

the only truth is, none of yall know a god damn thing about the subject until your existence here in this reality is over and even then, who the knows? yall each other out back and forth over the single most subject no one will ever be able to answer. keep running in circles people.

[mouse]

the only truth is, none of yall know a god damn thing about the subject until your existence here in this reality is over and even then, who the knows? yall each other out back and forth over the single most subject no one will ever be able to answer. keep running in circles people.

psssssssst! koriwhat btw I think is a real cheesy screen name ( just a heads up ) look your mini meltdowns were expected. at least by me.

I know lots people with at least 4 years of college education still trying to find a job. I can only imagine an out of work back alley tattoo artist.

trust me I feel your pain ..... esse.

[mouse]

Yet again, you can't answer a simple question.

Translation: Thank God my meth induced posting made this topic go to the next page so no one can really see how mouse pow3n'd me on page 6

Dude you want to have a live debate name the time.