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Republicans need to come back with "We will let you raise taxes as much as you want as long as you couple that to 4X in immediate spending cuts...just tell us how much you want to raise taxes and how you want to make the cuts"
Nothing new...GOP strategists, such as they are, are as feckless usual. Seizing momentum won't be easy...probably impossible at this point.
Republicans need to come back with "We will let you raise taxes as much as you want as long as you couple that to 4X in immediate spending cuts...just tell us how much you want to raise taxes and how you want to make the cuts"
Make TB stop slapping me!
First your positioning statement. Then your offer.
Obama either made a combo deal out of it, or his "offer" is mischaracterized.
red team for the moment clearly prefers to bellyache about how unfair and unreasonable the President is. is that good PR, or just self-indulgent and whiny?
perhaps. isn't offer/counteroffer the regular order of business until enough people on both sides agree to sign on?
I think we'll end up with a 3 or 4:1 spending to revenue ratio, which is about right
yup....that's why I don't think the opener was an offer.
b/c there's no probability of any counteroffer?
Because it was really a positioning statement. The whiny GOP response is theirs, most likely.
"how much you want to raise taxes and how you want to make the cuts"
why don't the less Repugs say:
1) how they intend to raise revenue without any income tax raises
2) where THEY want to cut
Last edited by boutons_deux; 11-30-2012 at 03:30 PM.
Should tax capital gains as income and raise tax rates on everyone to the Clinton levels. Not sure what age makes sense, but SS should get bumped up for longer life expectancies. Don't agree with raising the medicare eligility age since all the cost comes from end of life coverage anyways, not from the first couple of years one is on it. Also, enough with the field trips into the middle east. Military spending does great things for the economy when it goes into R&D and actual defensive projects, but burning cash in constant offensive guerrila wars is stupid.
About as legitimate as any opening bid, i.e. not much.
Last go 'round or two he offered to meet them in the middle a bit more and got on.
This time around, I think he and his administration has realized the GOP in congress won't go along for anything at all, and are getting ready to play some hardball, which is what most on the left have been screaming for, including yours truly.
The GOP's proposals are unpopular, the Democrats' are more popular.
This will not end well for the Republicans in the House. They will cave in the end, with the president giving a bit in return, but the fight will lose them more in the long run than they will realize. My take, and not overly confident in that, to be 100% honest.
We'll see.
Bit of background on Obama's positions in the past relative to the current one:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democ...d-fiscal-cliff
Then they say "military spending" and Republicans say HEY HEY HEY WAIT A SECOND....
Damn, you really want out of that Clovis assignment, huh?
You know, that base was SUPPOSED to be shut down...
Yeah. Lets agree that they all suck.
I'm buying more ammo.
Republicans want a small government that doesn't give any help to poor people but blows through money when it comes to defense spending.
Repugs don't even consider their beloved, corrupt, wasteful MIC to part of the hated government.
Elephant in the room is SS/Medicare. Neither side wants to put popular government programs on the chopping block.
Revenue is one side of the ledger, spending the other. Neither side appears ready to get serious about balancing the books.
so, we get more posturing and compe ive finger pointing
In this game of fiscal chicken O is trying to force the Republicans to put SS and Medicare cuts on the table so he can veto it and be a champion of the people.
Red team is aggrieved that the President hasn't offered them political cover by making himself the goat who proposes en lement cuts. boo hoo. Underscores for me how unserious both sides are about our long term fiscal situation.
Everybody wants to be Santa Claus; no one wants to be the Grinch, but in all seriousness, we need one of those. It won't happen unless the two parties embrace their responsibility to the country, hold hands and leap together.
I'm not holding my breath . . .
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