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bad part of Bonner is he has athletic deficiencies and sometimes his choking is unstoppable, but i can't hate the guy, he tries to do the right play every time. he looks to be working harder on defense.
bad part of Bonner is he has athletic deficiencies and sometimes his choking is unstoppable, but i can't hate the guy, he tries to do the right play every time. he looks to be working harder on defense.
So is there a good reason why he was in the game most of the fourth quarter and overtime?
+- of +15 when he was on the court, tbh...coincidence?
The game had to be won.
word bonner earned a rotation spot tonight
The real story is Splitter and Diaw looking like D-leaguers against an elite frontline.
Wasn't that the argument when he was starting and the team was terrible defensively?
he's THAT cracka
Pop must have seen something he liked that the Grizz were doing defensively if he played him the entire 4th and OT. I don't see it, but it must be something about pulling one of their bigs out of the paint. Bonbon did a decent job on Z-bo down the stretch, though a bunch of the misses were chippies.
I've never seen Randolph play Bonner that way. Seemed like he was just expecting calls. Yeah, Bonner fouled him virtually every time, but the refs get tired of calling it over and over.
His presence forces Grizzlies change their defense on other Spurs players, and tonight his defense is B+ on the effort and A- on the result, whether it's luck or not.
When the Spurs lost to the Grizz in Round 1 a couple years ago, it was Bonner who had the best adjusted plus-minus on the team.
I didn't see the game tonight and don't know the Grizzlies lineup well enough, but it must be one of those lineups that plays to Bonner's strengths (or "strength.") I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is a one-game thing.
You're saying this to point out why plus-minus doesn't mean anything, right?
Adjusted plus-minus, very key difference; APM is a very useful stat, unlike plus minus. I edited my post with a second line to explain what I meant a little further.
Fool's gold.
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No he didn't. Not even close.
Bonner has always been a plus/minus disaster in the playoffs.
Didn't Bonner lead the Spurs in scoring against one game against the Grizz last season?
My mistake, I had been thinking of win shares. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html <-- Playoffs Advanced, WS/48.
Tbh, I think some of the calls Randolph got against Bonner were bull . Bonner was standing there like a statue with his hands straight up in the air and Randolph was lowering his head and jumping into a stationary, non moving Bonner, and they were calling that a foul.
It ain't one.
If any advanced stat says that Matt Bonner should be getting most of the fourth quarter and overtime minutes or that he's useful in the playoffs or in the clutch, then there's a flaw to the stat. If everyone's aware that they have to play that much harder to make up for a liability on both ends and they do, it moves the needle. If you give a ty player more minutes with the three best players than any of the other bench players, it's going to move the needle.
I agree, which is why Bonner got away with a couple of them late. It's likely that he got called for a couple that weren't fouls early. Like I said, it looked like Z-Bo expected to get the call and didn't really try for more than a token shot attempt. Normally he'd work his way down into position, fake, step under, go into Bonner's chest and score over him and draw a foul. We've all seen him do it. We've seen lots of guys do it to Bonner, and Randolph can do it to most anyone when he's in the mood.
Another possibility is there's a flaw with the thinking of the person using the stat. Oftentimes people, especially on internet message boards, spew about stuff that they know very little about. Like what you're doing.
Yeah, that explains it. The other Spurs are like "oh no, Bonner's out here now, we're gonna have to work REALLY hard!" and then they're better than usual. :
APM accounts for that.
Says the person who doesn't know the difference between win share and APM.
Yeah, Bonner's a winner. You just keep trying to sell that one here, gnsf.
Actually his +/- and his offensive rating stats tank in the playoffs. They're good during the season. That reflects what we see tbh. He just chokes when it counts most because the defense is more suffocating.
He has a good role during the season though. Eats up some minutes, hits threes, gets some rebounds, doesn't throw the ball away too often. Not a high quality player, but not a negative impact imo. My main problem with him is his overly high salary.
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