Andrew Luck is League MVP

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think even if RG3 were white, his stats would still draw him plenty of support.

If RG3 were white he'd care less about substanceless moon cricket bull like sexy stats and care more about helping his team win.

[Avante]

No, because ROY voters are in the group of NFL/media members desparate for a successful black QB (and no, this isn't a trolling shtick. The one thing I've ever agreed with Rush Limbaugh on is the NFL's pathetic agenda to have a successful black QB in the NFL). It's why Scam Newton led his team to a 6-10 record then was annointed a franchise QB and MVP candidate entering this year. Or why Mike Vick tortured and mutilated 60+ dogs in a hainus act of violence only to be forgiven by the media and NFL shortly after. Or why RGIII's team is below .500 and he's being annointed a winning franchise QB.

Wrong as usual.

First of Vick didn't torture dogs, where'd you get that bull ? He was raised in a culture where dog fighting was no big deal, it was like fighting.

Cam Newton had one of the best rookie seasons ever, far better than what Luck is having. He should have been talked about like he was. RGIII doesn't have the team around him and we all know it, he's also having a better season than Luck.

What it is is that for some reason you don't like black people, which tells me you are a redneck okie totally out of touch with today. We've already had great black QB's it's nothing new.

[Avante]

If your goal is to win games, then no, you don't. Luck has managed to get his team to 8-4 without a running game while RGIII's running game has some flashy moments but a ty record. If inflating the QB's passer rating is the objective, then yeah, you should utilize dump offs and play action through a good running game as much as possible. If winning games is the objective, then being able to run the ball doesn't matter and being able to make pocket passes when the other team is expecting the pass is important (as demonstrated by Luck).

Oh no nothing beata third and long, having your D right back out there because you couldn't sustainn a drive. Screw running out the clock, protecting a lead, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! You are football stupid! You need a running game only an idiot would think you didn't. Don't watch much football do you?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

First of Vick didn't torture dogs.

The indictment report you dumb . And the fact he was raised in a n!gger culture that said making helpless animals fight to the death is OK isn't a valid excuse. Dog fighting and fighting are not remotely comparable, and fighting itself is barbaric.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick

He admitted to sharing in the proceeds from these dog fights. He further admitted that he knew his colleagues killed several dogs who did not perform well. He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning.

Mike Vick himself admitted to hanging and drowning dogs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Oh no nothing beata third and long, having your D right back out there because you couldn't sustainn a drive. Screw running out the clock, protecting a lead, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! You are football stupid! You need a running game only an idiot would think you didn't. Don't watch much football do you?

Somehow Luck's team has a better record even though it doesn't have a running game to protect the lead.

You haven't watched recent superbowls, have you?

[Avante]

The indictment report you dumb . And the fact he was raised in a n!gger culture that said making helpless animals fight to the death is OK isn't a valid excuse. Dog fighting and fighting are not remotely comparable, and fighting itself is barbaric.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick



Mike Vick himself admitted to hanging and drowning dogs.

I hate to break it to ya like this slick but white folks also fight dogs. Obviously you don't know what the word torture means. I'll help ya out, it's not about killing it's about prolonging pain.

I'm betting dog fighting was started by whites over in Europe.

Why this hatred for black people, you seem obsessed with it, what gives?

Here ya go amigo...

Dog fighting is a blood sport that can be traced back to ancient times.^[1] Blood sports involving the baiting of animals has occurred since antiquity for example at the Colosseum in Rome during the reign of the Roman Empire. It possibly reached the peak of its popularity during the 16th century. The various animal types involved in the bait allowed for the breed specialization and basic anatomical forms of fighting dogs, which we see today.
Accounts of dog fighting in China date back to 240 A.D.^{[citation needed]}. Dog fighting has been do ented in the recorded history of many different cultures, and is presumed to have existed since the initial domestication of the species.^{[citation needed]} Many breeds have been bred specifically for the strength, at ude, and physical features that would make them better fighting dogs.
Scholars^[who?] speculate that large-scale human migration, development of trade, and gifts between royal courts of valuable fighting dogs facilitated the spread of fighting dog breeds. There are many accounts of military campaigns which used fighting dogs, as well as royal gifts in the form of large dogs.^{[citation needed]}

[Avante]

Somehow Luck's team has a better record even though it doesn't have a running game to protect the lead.

You haven't watched recent superbowls, have you?

I've never missed a SB. I can't believe you actually watch football and know nothing.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I hate to break it to ya like this slick but white folks also fight dogs. Obviously you don't know what the word torture means. I'll help ya out, it's not about killing it's about prolonging pain.

I'm betting dog fighting was started by whites over in Europe.

Why this hatred for black people, you seem obsessed with it, what gives?

hanging and drowning dogs doesn't prolong pain? I wasn't aware they were methods used by vets to Euthanize dogs so the dog feels as little pain as possible. You're one ed up person being ok with the hanging and drowning of helpless animals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_methods_of_torture

Physical torture methods

Abacination Beatings and physical violence Blinding with light Boiling Bone breaking Branding Castration Chelsea grin Chinese water torture Choking/Strangling Crushing Cutting Denailing Disfigurement Drowning Dunking Flagellation Flaying Foot roasting Foot whipping Force-feeding Garrotting Genital mutilation/forced cir cision Hamstringing

Kneecapping Keelhauling Mutilation Oxygen deprivation Picquet Pitchcapping Pressure points Rat torture Riding the Rail Sexual assault Sawing Scalping Scaphism Sleep deprivation Sound (extremely high volumes, dynamic range, low frequency, high pitched noise, intended to interfere with rest, cognition and concentration). Starvation Strappado/squassation (also known as "reverse hanging" and "Palestinian hanging") Stress positions Ta'liq hanging from a metal bar. Tarring and feathering Thumbscrew (torture) Tickle torture Tooth extraction Water cure Waterboarding

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=433x578837

“In or about March of 2003, PEACE, after consulting with VICK about the losing female pit bull's condition, executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal.”

If you don't think electrocuting a dog is as ed up and deranged as it gets, you're pretty ed up and deranged yourself.

[Avante]

hanging and drowning dogs doesn't prolong pain? I wasn't aware they were methods used by vets to Euthanize dogs so the dog feels as little pain as possible. You're one ed up person being ok with the hanging and drowning of helpless animals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_methods_of_torture

Physical torture methods

Abacination Beatings and physical violence Blinding with light Boiling Bone breaking Branding Castration Chelsea grin Chinese water torture Choking/Strangling Crushing Cutting Denailing Disfigurement Drowning Dunking Flagellation Flaying Foot roasting Foot whipping Force-feeding Garrotting Genital mutilation/forced cir cision Hamstringing

Kneecapping Keelhauling Mutilation Oxygen deprivation Picquet Pitchcapping Pressure points Rat torture Riding the Rail Sexual assault Sawing Scalping Scaphism Sleep deprivation Sound (extremely high volumes, dynamic range, low frequency, high pitched noise, intended to interfere with rest, cognition and concentration). Starvation Strappado/squassation (also known as "reverse hanging" and "Palestinian hanging") Stress positions Ta'liq hanging from a metal bar. Tarring and feathering Thumbscrew (torture) Tickle torture Tooth extraction Water cure Waterboarding

Dude, I'd kill any muther er who hurt an animal, cut their ing head right off. So once again totally wrong.

Torture is about taking your time so you can inflict as much pain as you can, I seriously doubt that was done. OPnce again talking out of your ass.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dude, I'd kill any muther er who hurt an animal.

Yet you sympathize with Mike ing Vick

[Avante]

Yet you sympathize with Mike ing Vick

No I don't, I don't like the prick at all and yes would kick his ing ass if he were around me. I disown a cousin who fights s.

I do however seperate the man from the athlete when talking football.

[Clipper Nation]

ROTY is for RG3 to lose. Luck won't be snatching . It would be handed to him if it goes that way.

Tbh, neither of them deserve it.... Doug "Muscle Hamster" Martin, mother ers!

[Clipper Nation]

I disown a cousin who fights s.

So, let me get this straight... your cousin fights s, and you suck them....

[Avante]

So, let me get this straight... your cousin fights s, and you suck them....

I'll go slow....

Apparently there is a big old world out there you know nothing about. I'm guessing your parents pampered you as a child. You don't seem to know anything about anything. I'll do what I can to help ya little guy. When we say... fighting...we are talking about roosters not actually s. I know, I know, news to you. I'm here for ya slick.

Oh yeah...

Alfred Morris is right there with Martin in the rookie running compe ion. He plays for the Redskins, a real big game tonight would help.

I've decided to take you under my wing amigo, nobody should be that stupid.

[Malik Hairston]

Avante, you said that Vick didn't torture dogs, just a few posts ago..you were defending him, clearly..

Just a few posts later, you're claiming that you hate Vick..pick a lane, tbh..I guess you're too focused on daydreaming of Lorenzo Neal's body, tbh..

[Avante]

Avante, you said that Vick didn't torture dogs, just a few posts ago..you were defending him, clearly..

Just a few posts later, you're claiming that you hate Vick..pick a lane, tbh..I guess you're too focused on daydreaming of Lorenzo Neal's body, tbh..

I would never defend that er, I just know the difference between torture and murder. Two different things.

Obviously that deal with Neal also flew over you head.

Some years ago there was a kid out of Hanford a city about 10 miles east of Lemoore whrere Neal is from. the kids name was Ken Thomas (his older brother Jewerl was a back for the Rams) Thomas was one of the fastest kids in the state at 5'9 215 pounds. At SJS he lead the nation in INT's as a db, the cat was thick and wide, yet on any chart he'd be overweight, just like Lorenzo Neal would be. Thomas was drafted by the Chiefs, a knee injury did him in. Chiefs used him at running back.

To assume somebody is fat because of numbers on a chart, nay. According to the charts he shouldn't weight over 180 pounds.

Kenneth Ray Thomas
Position: RB
Height: 5-9 Weight: 211 lbs. Born: February 11, 1960 in Hanford, CA
Died: November 13, 2002 in Independence, MO (Aged 42)
College: San Jose St. (school history)
Drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs in the 7th round (173rd overall) of the 1983 NFL Draft.

[Pelicans78]

So Luck is better than Drew Brees?

Saints defense has been worse than the Colts and Brees single handedly lost the last two games for the Saints.

[J.T.]

Some of Andrew Luck's traditional stats are below his other rookie peers. But his team, previously the worst in the NFL, is winning way more games than it should. The people with RG3's firmly lodged in their tracheas will tell you the Colts just sand bagged last season because they knew Luck was going to be this good. I'll counter that by saying that everyone knew Luck was NFL ready, but a 8-10 game winner on the worst overall team coming into his first season? No, none of us, even me, Mr. "Colts Might Win The Super Bowl" Thread in preseason, had this on our radar.

Here's how Luck stacks up on 3rd downs this season:

Passing 3rd Downs 63-147 (43%) | 7th overall among starting QBs
Adjusted 3rd Downs (Run & Pass) 77-164 (47%) | 5th overall
Long Passing 3rd Downs (3rd and 8+) 31-73 (42.5%) | 2nd overall
Adjusted Long 3rd Downs 35-78 (45%) | 1st overall

By comparison, RG3 (34%/#25, 37%/#19, 10%/#38, 17%/#37) is pretty terrible on 3rd down and while Wilson is a little better (40%/#15, 42%/#11, 29%/#15, 26%/#22), neither have been as consistent at Luck at staying on the field on 3rd down. RG3 has FIVE long 3rd down conversions on the season. Five. That's terrible, and he's supposedly running his college offense on a team that has bent over backwards to run the show his way, whilst Luck is in his first season playing in an offense that goes heavy on the vertical downfield game. Luck is 2nd to Roethlisberger on long third downs, and while both guys are big and can extend the play with their legs, let's roll the clock back and look at Ben's rookie stats on 3rd and Long - 9 for 51 (18%).

In the past 10 years, Peyton Manning is the undisputed king of 3rd and Long. Manning's worst season, 2010 (36%) would still be good for 3rd overall (behind Andrew Luck) this year. It's insane that a rookie is doing this. Adjust the stats again for rushing and passing on long 3rd downs? Andrew Luck is your No. 1 overall quarterback at converting 3rd and Long in the NFL. Your boy RG3? 37 out of 38 properly sandwiched between John Skelton and Blaine Gabbert. The magic of Andrew Luck does not show up on the traditional stat sheet. The dude has some trouble taking care of the ball, but is also in an offense that might ask him to attempt 60 passes in a game. The Colts are a broken team and collectively should not be in the playoff tournament. The offensive line is incredibly inconsistent and the defense needs about 7 new regular starters. Maybe eight. What Luck is doing with this Colts team is incredibly special, but let's all continue looking at his TD:INT ratio as the only meaningful stat in the Offensive Rookie of the Year discussion. It makes anyone who purports that stat as the dealbreaker on who gets the trophy as a massive tool.

[Lincoln]

Props to luck and the colts for beating the lions, jags, ans, dolphins,browns, and bills. They can easily get to 10 wins if they beat the lowly ans (again) and the lowly chiefs. Maybe even 11 if Houston rests their starters.

[Creepn]

Props to luck and the colts for beating the lions, jags, ans, dolphins,browns, and bills. They can easily get to 10 wins if they beat the lowly ans (again) and the lowly chiefs. Maybe even 11 if Houston rests their starters.

Ooooooooooooh shiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeettttt!! Lmao!

[Clipper Nation]

SHere's how Luck stacks up on 3rd downs this season:

Passing 3rd Downs 63-147 (43%) | 7th overall among starting QBs
Adjusted 3rd Downs (Run & Pass) 77-164 (47%) | 5th overall
Long Passing 3rd Downs (3rd and 8+) 31-73 (42.5%) | 2nd overall
Adjusted Long 3rd Downs 35-78 (45%) | 1st overall

By comparison, RG3 (34%/#25, 37%/#19, 10%/#38, 17%/#37) is pretty terrible on 3rd down and while Wilson is a little better (40%/#15, 42%/#11, 29%/#15, 26%/#22), neither have been as consistent at Luck at staying on the field on 3rd down. RG3 has FIVE long 3rd down conversions on the season. Five.

Basing your whole argument for MVP on third-down stats only

I see you've conveniently left out that RG3 has 47 less third-down passing attempts than Luck... you also forgot to mention that the Colts lead the league in third-down attempts whereas the Redskins are dead last in team third downs.... maybe your boy Luck should try getting it done on first and second down more often...

[Lincoln]

Ooooooooooooh shiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeettttt!! Lmao!

I'm not hating bro I'm giving luck his props

He's turned that 2-14 team around tbh

[Creepn]

It's easy to turn a team around with a core roster that placed first in the division and made the playoffs 2 years ago imo.

[J.T.]

Great argument. The 2012 Colts starting roster features 15 out of 22 players (9 offense, 6 defense) who were not even on the 2010 Colts team.