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    On the same article series:

    As Companies Seek Tax Deals, Governments Pay High Price
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/us...ations.html?hp

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    Well, when an article refuses to keep things in perspective, I have no Interest in it.

    1) The average cost of living in Texas is approximately 91% that of the US average. Texas may have more people living in poverty by the US poverty line, but it isn't a good representation.

    2) Texas may give out more incentives than any other state, but it also has the 2nd largest population. If California wasn't in such a financial bind, I'll bet they would top Texas in that catagory. Don't you find it questionable that it doesn't give a per capita rate?

    What isn't said in an article is very often more important than what is said. Especially in today's world of agenda driven journalism. Double that when it's a NY Slimes article.

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    TX gives $10Bs in tax expenditures, etc to corporations, but cuts $5B from education. TX is run of, by, FOR the 1%, which ALWAYS s the 99%.

    And WC, like a d lawyer, will say anything incredibly, indefensibly stupid to defend the 1% and UCA.

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    TX gives $10Bs in tax expenditures, etc to corporations, but cuts $5B from education. TX is run of, by, FOR the 1%, which ALWAYS s the 99%.
    OK...

    I'll entertail the idea that you are 100% correct. Just how does that disagree with what I said?
    And WC, like a d lawyer, will say anything incredibly, indefensibly stupid to defend the 1% and UCA.
    Not true. I will simply say things against the absolute stupidity people like you say.

    Here's an idea I'd like you to consider. How many people would have no job if it wasn't for the 1%?

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    OK...
    How many people would have no job if it wasn't for the 1%?
    How many people would have homes, retirement funds, jobs, etc if it WEREN'T for the vampire-squid 1%?

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    How many people would have homes, retirement funds, jobs, etc if it WEREN'T for the vampire-squid 1%?
    Since they were stupid enough to refinance, flip houses, or what ever they got cought up in, my opinion is they would have lost to some other poor plan they entered.

    Why are you blaming the rich for other people's stupidity?

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    So, we'd be better off if companies don't move to Texas?

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    So, you're for the state of Texas using corporate welfare to dictate winners and losers in the marketplace?

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    also, there's this:

    The free flow of tax breaks and subsidies in Texas makes it particularly fertile ground to examine these economic development deals and the fundamental trade-off behind them: the more states give to businesses, the less they have available in the short term to spend on basic services, a calculation made more stark by the recession.


    To help balance its budget last year, Texas cut public education spending by $5.4 billion — a significant decrease considering that it already ranked 11th from the bottom among all states in per-pupil financing, according to recent data from the Census Bureau. Yet highly profitable companies like Dow Chemical and Texas Instruments continue to enjoy hefty discounts on their school tax bills through one of the state’s economic development programs.

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    when the state gives sweetheart deals to attract business, it can end up shortchanging its own citizens

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    What isn't said in an article is very often more important than what is said. Especially in today's world of agenda driven journalism. Double that when it's a NY Slimes article.
    you got nothing? count me unsurprised.

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    As long as taxpayers are going to continue to elect politicians based on a percieved ability to "create jobs", politicians are going to continue to use taxpayer money to bribe businesses to locate in their cons uency. It's a completely bipartisan practice.

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    While top private universities give their education away free on line, TX PUBLIC universities are talking about onlines courses even more expensive than classroom courses.

    Online learning can be pricey

    “Start-up costs” for building a comprehensive online course catalog at Texas' public universities could be cited for keeping the price of online classes as high and sometimes higher than traditional classes — for now.

    University officials say cost is a reflection of the investment associated with a new way of teaching and learning.

    “Building an online infrastructure has a large up-front cost but can save the university space and money over years of using the technologies,” said Dominic Chavez, spokesman for the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board.

    It's not clear when universities will pass on the savings to students, who enjoy the flexibility and convenience of online classes while universities can enroll more without accommodating them on campus.

    http://mobile.mysa.com/mysa/db_28310...l=true#display

    TX typifies REPUG misgovernment against the 99%.

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    As long as taxpayers are going to continue to elect politicians based on a percieved ability to "create jobs", politicians are going to continue to use taxpayer money to bribe businesses to locate in their cons uency. It's a completely bipartisan practice.
    yep

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    Don't you find it questionable that it doesn't give a per capita rate?
    Texas cut public education spending by $5.4 billion — a significant decrease considering that it already ranked 11th from the bottom among all states in per-pupil financing, according to recent data from the Census Bureau. Yet highly profitable companies like Dow Chemical and Texas Instruments continue to enjoy hefty discounts on their school tax bills through one of the state’s economic development programs.

    In the Manor school district, which comprises the town and part of Austin, Samsung has been awarded more than $231 million in incentives from state and local officials. But the recent budget cuts have left the district with crowded classes and fewer programs.
    Texas' education system lags, for rather obvious reasons.

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    I'm actually much more alarmed with the apparent conflict of interest in placing lobbyists in places where they determine grants. It's like they're not even trying to hide the corruption.

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    I'm actually much more alarmed with the apparent conflict of interest in placing lobbyists in places where they determine grants. It's like they're not even trying to hide the corruption.
    That's REPUG TX, a one-party Repug state.

    RickyBobby has corrupted the entire govt by replacing bureaucratic professionals with Repugs operatives, just like the dubya/ head WH did at federal level.

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    I'm actually much more alarmed with the apparent conflict of interest in placing lobbyists in places where they determine grants. It's like they're not even trying to hide the corruption.
    That's what you get when you know you will win elections without a real challenge. US Dems need to step up. The GOP stranglehold is not quite as ironclad as some think, IMO.

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    I'm actually much more alarmed with the apparent conflict of interest in placing lobbyists in places where they determine grants. It's like they're not even trying to hide the corruption.
    crony capitalism is alive and well in the USA.

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    It's especially egregious in Texas. The Cons ution sets up all manner of commission FFA and it's been a Texas tradition to go with the spoils system for one's friends. Look no further than the judiciary who is stock full of corporate advocates. The corruption is just accepted as a matter of course just like in the NE and certain places in the midwest.

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    you got nothing? count me unsurprised.
    I have more than the article did. Would you agree statistics can be made to say what you want? Well, that's exactly what the article did, and I exposed that.

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    WC has been reading some things here and there and so knows stuff about subjects.

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    I have more than the article did. Would you agree statistics can be made to say what you want? Well, that's exactly what the article did, and I exposed that.
    you exposed diddly.

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    you exposed diddly.
    Then show me otherwise. I at least gave reasonable su ion to their methodology.

    2nd most populous state with the most $$$ spending in such an area... Not unreasonable at all, especially since the most populous state has financial problems.

    Cost of living only 91% the national average, and they use the national poverty line instead of a cost of living adjusted line.

    Now what I didn't point out is the counties worse off in the poverty statistics are primarily ones bordering Mexico.

    I pointed out the flaws in what the article said. I don't really care what you think past that.

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