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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    so what's your point?

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    elections have consquences.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    elections have consquences.
    are you just realizing this now?

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    are you just realizing this now?
    Did i say i just realized it now?

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    One pointis that you can throw the CBO cost estimates for Ocare out the window. Businesses and individuals typically act in their own rational self interest. The actual cost will be much much higher than projected.

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    "CBO cost estimates for Ocare out the window."

    .. CC opining is his "
    rational self interest".



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    Hm, working for Wal-Mart still sucks.

    Shocking.

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    "CBO cost estimates for Ocare out the window."

    .. CC opining is his "
    rational self interest".


    We already know you are planning on sucking on that obamacare , so you are acting in your rational self interest as well.

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    Hm, working for Wal-Mart still sucks.

    Shocking.
    Yeah, but under Ocare they weren't going to be obligated to provide insurance to part timers anyway, but they can cut the insurance guilt free now knowing that big daddy Obama is gonna take care of them.

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    Yeah, but under Ocare they weren't going to be obligated to provide insurance to part timers anyway, but they can cut the insurance guilt free now knowing that big daddy Obama is gonna take care of them.
    Bingo

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    individuals typically act in their own rational self interest.
    Actually, there's alot of evidence out there that is starting to prove otherwise. (For instance, poor people in the South voting for Republicans...)

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    Yeah, but under Ocare they weren't going to be obligated to provide insurance to part timers anyway, but they can cut the insurance guilt free now knowing that big daddy Obama is gonna take care of them.
    This is all just intermediate bull until we actually move to catch up with the rest of the world health care wise. I guess ing can make one feel better about oneself in the meantime.

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    This is all just intermediate bull until we actually move to catch up with the rest of the world health care wise. I guess ing can make one feel better about oneself in the meantime.
    Pretty much. The quicker we splinter healthcare from employment, the quicker pressure will build up for a single payer system.

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    The sooner the govt and Human-Americans fights back and s over the for-profit health-care system, the better.

    ACA obviously is nothing but a miraculous (in view of Repug obstructionism) small step forward, however screwed up it was by extortion from the for-profit vultures.

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    Obamacare Has Saved Seniors $5 Billion On Prescription Drugs

    Despite the fact that the cost of brand name drugs has skyrocketed over the past few years, one Obamacare provision is helping seniors on Medicare save billions on their prescription drug costs.

    Over the summer, data from the Centers for Medicare And Medicaid Services (CMS) showed that the Affordable Care Act had already saved 5.2 million seniors and people with disabilities nearly $4 billion on their prescriptions by closing the “donut hole” coverage gap and ensuring that more prescription drugs are covered under Medicare. And today, the Obama Administration announced that their updated data shows seniors’ savings have now surpassed $5 million, as nearly 2.8 million Americans have saved an average of $677 on their prescription medications so far this year.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012...ors-5-billion/

    Big Item for 2nd term: annul the REPUG REGULATION (one REGULATION that REPGUS LOVE!) that forbids govt from negotiating drug/device prices, and screw the prices down to where other countries pay (like 50% less).

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    Actually, there's alot of evidence out there that is starting to prove otherwise. (For instance, poor people in the South voting for Republicans...)
    ignorant red-staters have bought the REPUG lie that ALL GOVT is BAD, GOVT IS THE PROBLEM, then add in the ignorant red-staters who hate gays, blacks, browns, and that's the Repug red state voting block.

    ignorant, close-minded, uneducated, low-wage, and social issue over financial self interest.

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    Walmart never paid much in benefits anyway.

    For Walmart, this latest policy represents a step back in time. Almost seven years ago, as Walmart confronted public criticism that its employees couldn't afford its benefits, the company announced with much fanfare that it would expand health coverage for part-time workers.

    But last year, the company eliminated coverage for some part-time workers -- those new hires working 24 hours a week or less. Now, Walmart is going further.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=WMT+...atement&annual

    Even so, Walmart does not operate on a large profit margin overall. About 3% on revenues.

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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    One pointis that you can throw the CBO cost estimates for Ocare out the window. Businesses and individuals typically act in their own rational self interest. The actual cost will be much much higher than projected.
    Likely.

    You better hope they don't raise Medicare eligibility ages either. That will shift insurance costs to the private sector and young people.

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    This is all just intermediate bull until we actually move to catch up with the rest of the world health care wise. I guess ing can make one feel better about oneself in the meantime.
    Eyup. We like to pretend like health care is a good and service like any other. It isn't.

    All of our risks are pooled through extremely inefficient cost-shifting now. We would be vastly better off if that cost shifting were out in the open, so we would all have a clearer picture about how that happens, and what it is all costing us.

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    Walmart never paid much in benefits anyway.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=WMT+...atement&annual

    Even so, Walmart does not operate on a large profit margin overall. About 3% on revenues.
    I read a few days ago that Amazon is at about 2%. Amazing.

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    Actually, there's alot of evidence out there that is starting to prove otherwise. (For instance, poor people in the South voting for Republicans...)
    When people don't vote for their own best interests, it's usually due to religious dogma which is why religious countries are generally in much worse shape than secular countries. Fortunately America has gotten secular enough since 2004 that god mongering isn't enough to win elections anymore.

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    Walmart never paid much in benefits anyway.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=WMT+...atement&annual

    Even so, Walmart does not operate on a large profit margin overall. About 3% on revenues.
    Reagan's "Welfare Queen" FOUND!

    In our search for this “Welfare Queen,” we were looking for actual people when we should have been looking for corporate people. We should have been looking at Wal-Mart.


    Wal-Mart is the largest private employer and brought in more revenue in 2011 than any other company in the nation. Wal-Mart pocketed a not-too-shabby $16.4 billion in profits that same year and the six Wal-Mart heirs, the Walton family, own roughly $100 billion in wealth, which is more than 40% of Americans combined.

    But, despite making all of this money, Wal-Mart’s business model hinges on mooching from the government. It hinges on being the biggest “Welfare Queen” in the United States.

    Because of the “everyday low wages” that the retail giant pays its employees, our government has to step in and provide public assistance to Wal-Mart workers just so they can survive…which is why the Wal-Mart workforce represents the largest recipient of federal aid in the nation.

    A Wal-Mart worker makes on average 31% less than a worker for any other large retailer, and requires 39% more in public assistance.

    A recent study by UC Berkeley found that Wal-Mart’s low wages are costing the state of California alone $86 million a year to provide public assistance like food stamps and healthcare to the retailer’s 44,000 low-wage employees in the state. The state spends nearly $2,000 every single year on each Wal-Mart employee who can’t afford basic essentials like housing, food, and healthcare with their Wal-Mart paycheck.

    In total, it’s estimated that Walmart stores loot more than $2.6 billion every single year from the federal government in the form of tax-payer funded public assistance to their employees. That includes more than one billion in healthcare costs associated with Medicaid, and $225 million in free or reduced-price lunches for school children of Wal-Mart employees.

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13...re-queen-found

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    LOL...

    TruthOut...

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