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Are there cilffs notes for this argument? Way too many tl;dr's
I've still yet to here a good explanation why you think rooting for a school outside your city is dumb when you have no major program in your city to root for. Beyond all the nonsense being argued, that's really the long and short of it.
Are there cilffs notes for this argument? Way too many tl;dr's
Except that will never happen again.... in fact, it will never be allowed to happen again once the superconferences form....
lol utsa
UT football has always had the amount of prestige and national coverage it does now ?
And sure t-shirters like you help programs make money. Paying Mack Brown 5 mill/yr wouldnt be possible without you, I agree. How does that change the fact that he and the football team are still representing the university? One which you have no affiliation to. You cant just ignore the alumni/faculty/student angle just cause it makes you look dumb.
No more deflecting.
I'm waiting.
Im sure there were will always be chances for teams that dominate the non-AQ ranks to move up to an AQ conference. Especially if they consistently get the non-AQ BCS bid and win one of those here or there.
Ive explained my reasoning multiple times. If you wanna try to ignore my point by comparing CF to the pros despite their huge differences thats up to you. That doesnt make being a t-shirt fan any less dumb tbh.
So you can't. That's all I wanted to hear. Thanks.
Pretty sure thats subjective, brah. Plenty of people will agree that being a t-shirter is a dumb concept. Others, especially those that would be considered a t-shirter themselves, will try to rationalize it.
Maybe you need it simpler.
Fan A lives in Wichita Falls, TX. He loves college football and has grown up watching it but has no D1 team in his city or even close. He sees friends at school gravitate towards the two major programs in the state, A&M and Texas so he goes with one of those. He grows up watching his team and even goes to games when he can. He follows the recruiting and buys merchandise. He winds up not ever going to college for one reason or another, but he still follows his team because that has always been his team.
Explain in detail why this guy is stupid for rooting for the team he roots for.
I dont blame Fan A, tbh. Like I said I grew up a UT t-shirt fan myself. I would hope though, that once he went to a game and saw how out place he was at a game (i.e. sitting on his ass/not knowing the lyrics during the alumni song or fight song) he would realize how dumb of a concept it is...just like I did.
UTSA football isnt anywhere near the product UT football is, and probably never will be but atleast I have some affiliation to it. I didnt fabricate my fandom to them like I did with UT. after that experience at the UT game Id start rooting for the Mean Green right down the road if I was him, Id feel much closer to them than UT tbh.
So he's not dumb. Thanks.
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Fan A could be a genius, who knows.
Now the concept of being a t-shirter? Thats dumb. Hopefully Fan A is smart enough to realize that if/when he attends a UT game.
You are the only person I've ever talked to that "realized it." My buddy and I didn't have some deep conversation after we left the game about the school song and how it was weird...and your own uncomfortable experience can't automatically make all fans that don't have a D1 school dumb for rooting for one.
Honestly what reason does someone like you or me have for not feeling out of place there? We arent students. We arent alumni. We arent faculty or staff. we arent even Austin residents. Becoming a fan because we grew up watching them on tv just seems like fabricated fandom tbh. Personally Id rather go with UTSA or if I was Fan A with North Texas.
Whether you want to acknowledge it or not its the same fan/team connection achieved at any other major sporting event. Are the dynamics slightly different because of the school angle? Sure. But 99% of the out of town fans feel just like they do at any other game they go to where they support the team. I felt the same way I did at the Texans game. You felt a certain way and that's fine...but it doesn't apply to all fans who care about their sports teams...and it certainly doesn't make them dumb for supporting them.
I really dont get why you try to compare the two. Even excluding the school angle, the Texans are one of only two pro teams in the state...naturally they will encompass a larger region and not just Houston. If I was from East Texas like you Id probably go with them as my regional team too tbh. Unless youre a bandwagoner or have some connection to other cities thats how fandom works in pro sports.
That doesnt fly for college though. You have twelve FBS schools to choose from. So not only are you not affiliated to the university but UT isnt even the school closest to your region. Why not North Texas or SMU? Or a Houston school like UH or Rice? Now that Ive got a taste of the whole college football experience Id easily take short drives to every home game at one of those schools+ability to tailgate and congregate over mostly watching UT on tv +making long trips to see a game here or there. Thats just me though, I like to feel like a part of it even if its not as successful of a program. But maybe you prefer the wins despite mostly being isolated from the program, which is cool just kinda dumb imo.
Last edited by FkLA; 12-07-2012 at 01:00 AM.
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I obviously don't prefer wins. See Texans, Houston.
I don't just decide to stop rooting for one team and start rooting for another because its a little bit closer. All those schools are still at least two hours from me and the Houston ones are just as far as UT. Its beside the point though, as I have no problem paying extra for hotels, gas, etc. to enjoy the team I've always been commited to. Switching teams out of convenience sounds more like a "T-shirt" fan than anything you have described thus far.
Its a fabricated commitment though, seeing as you have no university or regional ties to the Longhorns. Pretty sure thats the definition of a t-shirt fan tbh.
...or any other school. Try to keep up.
So youre admitting you have no regional or university ties to UT and that you basically liked them because yougrew up watching them on TV
Sort of. I had lots of UT fans around me and most of the dumb redneck side of my family were Aggie fans. It wasn't a hard choice. Most of East Texas is one of the two.
...and most of East Texas would be considered t-shirt fans as well.
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