Lakers: Kobe pulling the championship card on Dwight?

[Raven]

And so it begins.

Called this weeks ago. I knew Kobe didn't respect Dwight's game. For all his hype and overblown status, what Kobe does not lack is work ethic and a never ending desire to improve his game, and I just knew Dwight's monkeyball style would offend Kirb's sensibilities.

Dwight's not resigning with LA.

i don't see where has kobe improved his game since his third season in the league, just doing the same stuff over and over to the point of not thinking at all, but he never really expanded his game like Lebron did..

[LkrFan]

i don't see where has kobe improved his game since his third season in the league, just doing the same stuff over and over to the point of not thinking at all, but he never really expanded his game like Lebron did..

[Jodelo]

we just need to foul him

[Koolaid_Man]

i don't see where has kobe improved his game since his third season in the league, just doing the same stuff over and over to the point of not thinking at all, but he never really expanded his game like Lebron did..

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[Latarian Milton]

DH ain't gonna leave 20m on table to sign elsewhere as a FA imho.

[irishock]

No need to sign&trade, Spurs will have the cap room

Spurs dont need Howard when they have Bonner

[Chinook]

S&T don't exist anymore, IIRC. This was the last season you could do them per the new CBA.

The sign-and-trade mechanic is maintained throughout the CBA. Teams over the apron can't receive a player in a S&T, nor can teams who have used the MLE.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88

If a team like Atlanta wanted to trade Horford to the Lakers to get Howard back in a sign-and-trade next off season, they can. They just can't use their mid-level that year.

[Frenzy]

Well thet ain't winning. ..they have to stay in the headlines some how.

[Spurs9]

DH will be broker than Iverson when its all said and done.

[Richie]

DH ain't gonna leave 20m on table to sign elsewhere as a FA imho.

This is what I really don't get about American sports salaries. He wont be losing $20m, he'll just be signing for one less year. He will get that $20m in the first year of his next contract regardless

And even if he doesn't, why do players even care? Is an $80m/4yr contract really that much worse than a $100m/5yr if you can win a le with the former and not the latter? Of course the odds of winning with the Lakers is high because they'll get free agents and other teams will bend over backwards for them, but my point remains.

A lot of players care more about $$ than they do about basketball. It's pathetic.

Take Harden for instance, he got an extra $24m by signing with the Rockets, but is playing one extra year. If he stayed for what the Thunder were offering over 4 years he could leave Oklahoma with 4 rings, sign a max contract with another team and only be missing out on maybe $8m. Instead he's going to be on a late lottery team for 5 years and never sniff a championship.

[weebo]

This is what I really don't get about American sports salaries. He wont be losing $20m, he'll just be signing for one less year. He will get that $20m in the first year of his next contract regardless

And even if he doesn't, why do players even care? Is an $80m/4yr contract really that much worse than a $100m/5yr if you can win a le with the former and not the latter? Of course the odds of winning with the Lakers is high because they'll get free agents and other teams will bend over backwards for them, but my point remains.

A lot of players care more about $$ than they do about basketball. It's pathetic.

Take Harden for instance, he got an extra $24m by signing with the Rockets, but is playing one extra year. If he stayed for what the Thunder were offering over 4 years he could leave Oklahoma with 4 rings, sign a max contract with another team and only be missing out on maybe $8m. Instead he's going to be on a late lottery team for 5 years and never sniff a championship.

Gotta get that extra $$ in case sh!t happens brah....What if DH blows a knee in December playing in a meaningless game against the Bucks? How in the world would he ever feed his family?

[Richie]

Gotta get that extra $$ in case sh!t happens brah....What if DH blows a knee in December playing in a meaningless game against the Bucks? How in the world would he ever feed his family?

Exactly. Boo hoo, he'll only have career earnings of $180m rather than $200m. The way NBA players care so much about money is ridiculous.

[Riddler]

This is what I really don't get about American sports salaries. He wont be losing $20m, he'll just be signing for one less year. He will get that $20m in the first year of his next contract regardless

And even if he doesn't, why do players even care? Is an $80m/4yr contract really that much worse than a $100m/5yr if you can win a le with the former and not the latter? Of course the odds of winning with the Lakers is high because they'll get free agents and other teams will bend over backwards for them, but my point remains.

A lot of players care more about $$ than they do about basketball. It's pathetic.

Take Harden for instance, he got an extra $24m by signing with the Rockets, but is playing one extra year. If he stayed for what the Thunder were offering over 4 years he could leave Oklahoma with 4 rings, sign a max contract with another team and only be missing out on maybe $8m. Instead he's going to be on a late lottery team for 5 years and never sniff a championship.

He needs that dough so he can impregnate as many women as he wants while not being there for his kids and just give them money all while being the fake ass bible thumper that he is.

[ElNono]

The sign-and-trade mechanic is maintained throughout the CBA. Teams over the apron can't receive a player in a S&T, nor can teams who have used the MLE.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88

If a team like Atlanta wanted to trade Horford to the Lakers to get Howard back in a sign-and-trade next off season, they can. They just can't use their mid-level that year.

thanks

[spurraider21]

Lol @ Kobe's "leadership" abilities

[baseline bum]

The sign-and-trade mechanic is maintained throughout the CBA. Teams over the apron can't receive a player in a S&T, nor can teams who have used the MLE.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88

If a team like Atlanta wanted to trade Horford to the Lakers to get Howard back in a sign-and-trade next off season, they can. They just can't use their mid-level that year.

The sign and trade is effectively killed in the sense that Bird Rights are no longer transferred, so that a sign and trade can only be for 4 years and 4.5% yearly non-compounded raises instead of the 5 year deal with 7.5% non-compounded raises the free agent could get by staying with his previous team (assuming he has been there a full 3 years or the team he is with traded for his Bird Rights). So now there is no reason to ever do a sign and trade, since the contract is the same as if the FA just signed outright with his new team's capsapce. Thus if Howard leaves LA he has to take a pretty big financial hit.

[djohn2oo8]

The sign and trade is effectively killed in the sense that Bird Rights are no longer transferred, so that a sign and trade can only be for 4 years and 4.5% yearly non-compounded raises instead of the 5 year deal with 7.5% non-compounded raises the free agent could get by staying with his previous team (assuming he has been there a full 3 years or the team he is with traded for his Bird Rights). So now there is no reason to ever do a sign and trade, since the contract is the same as if the FA just signed outright with his new team's capsapce. Thus if Howard leaves LA he has to take a pretty big financial hit.

Too bad Dwight's too dumb to understand and will probably still ask for a SnT ...We'll see if he can put up with Kobe for a few more years.

[Chinook]

The sign and trade is effectively killed in the sense that Bird Rights are no longer transferred, so that a sign and trade can only be for 4 years and 4.5% yearly non-compounded raises instead of the 5 year deal with 7.5% non-compounded raises the free agent could get by staying with his previous team (assuming he has been there a full 3 years or the team he is with traded for his Bird Rights). So now there is no reason to ever do a sign and trade, since the contract is the same as if the FA just signed outright with his new team's capsapce. Thus if Howard leaves LA he has to take a pretty big financial hit.

Yes, indeed. That wasn't want ElNono was talking about, though. He was saying that the S&T was dead after this year. I told him that some rules will be changed but that the mechanism will remain otherwise unchanged. The changes you described were implemented in 2011-2012, so I didn't mention them.

You can't have your cake (get Bird increases) and eat it too anymore (go to the team of your choice); you're right about that. A player no longer gets the benefits of re-signing with his former team. But the sign-and-trade still has a place in the sense that teams over the cap can acquire a player that they couldn't sign outright (like the Lakers did with Nash), and the trading team can still get something back for a player that no longer wants to stay with them. The Howard situation I described could still occur, but Howard would not get as much money as he would get if he stayed in LA.

I don't like that change, though. If anything, all it did was take leverage away from the teams. Now, players will demand to be traded during their final years (so they would get Bird increases with their new teams), and if teams don't acquiesce, the player has no incentive to push for an S&T.

[Riddler]

This is EXACTLY the reason Kobe will never ring again. Thinking only he was responsible for 5 rings.

[baseline bum]

I don't like that change, though. If anything, all it did was take leverage away from the teams. Now, players will demand to be traded during their final years (so they would get Bird increases with their new teams), and if teams don't acquiesce, the player has no incentive to push for an S&T.

Losing teams almost always get crap from sign and trades anyways. The only big S&T win I can remember was Detroit getting Wallace and Atkins for Hill, but they could have easily signed those guys outright anyways. Most of the time it's just a second round pick (e.g., what Cleveland got for LeBron) or some garbage the team doesn't really want (e.g., Steve Smith in the Derek Anderson deal with Portland just to keep from pissing off the agent). I don't like the new rule because it screws over the players, but from the owners standpoint it's a home run. A star can ask for a trade the year before, but they were already doing it anyways and now the team doesn't have to play along if they think their star won't really want to take less on the next contract. It gives a lot more leverage to teams in negotiations with their stars.

If Orlando was smart they'd have held onto Howard longer so that he would expand his list of destinations he'd re-sign at. They had tons of leverage there because Howard showed he wouldn't sign for less after waiving the opt-out that would have allowed him to sign in Brooklyn.

[Chinook]

Losing teams almost always get crap from sign and trades anyways. The only big S&T win I can remember was Detroit getting Wallace and Atkins for Hill, but they could have easily signed those guys outright anyways. Most of the time it's just a second round pick (e.g., what Cleveland got for LeBron) or some garbage the team doesn't really want (e.g., Steve Smith in the Derek Anderson deal with Portland just to keep from pissing off the agent). I don't like the new rule because it screws over the players, but from the owners standpoint it's a home run. A star can ask for a trade the year before, but they were already doing it anyways and now the team doesn't have to play along if they think their star won't really want to take less on the next contract. It gives a lot more leverage to teams in negotiations with their stars.

If Orlando was smart they'd have held onto Howard longer so that he would expand his list of destinations he'd re-sign at. They had tons of leverage there because Howard showed he wouldn't sign for less after waiving the opt-out that would have allowed him to sign in Brooklyn.

Um, Cleveland ended up getting a lot for Lebron, actually. They got two firsts, two seconds, and the trade exception that ended up getting them the first-overall pick.

http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/10/15...and-cavs-terms

But they're a bad example. The Bosh trade better with the Raptors only getting two firsts.... and the Nash trade (two firsts and two seconds)... or David Lee (four players and four picks)... Joe Johnson (Diaw and two firsts)... The list goes on and on, actually.

Usually, it's worth it to sign-and trade a player. The trading team at least gets a trade exception, which can come in handy. Even if they just get a second-round pick, that's more than nothing. Now, I doubt a team like Miami would even give that much to Cleveland for James.

Howard would get as much as any of those players. I could see the Hawks give up Horford two firsts and a young prospect or two. The Lakers would have plenty of reason to do that if Dwight really didn't want to stay.

[baseline bum]

Damn, never realized Cleveland got firsts out of that deal, not that they're worth that much in that specific case. My bad

[Chinook]

No biggie.

I agree that S&Ts almost never give back equal value. Maybe that four-team sign-and-trade extravaganza a few years ago with Dallas, Memphis, Orlando and Toronto is the best example of that. I just feel like the teams got something for losing good players before, but now teams with cap room/exceptions have no reason to give up anything.