Played with the ESPNGo.com trade machine for a bit, and discovered that ST's pipe dream cannot be a reality just by dealing guys like Neal, Anderson, the turd towers, Mills, etc. We would have to deal Jackson or Ginobili (both are expirings), or at the very least give up Tiago which would be defeating the purpose because we'd be with the same number of big men anyways. The point is to get an adequate 4th big man.
Honestly, with Splitter playing the way he's been playing, it sort of absolves us of our need for another big. I was on the Varejao wagon because I wasn't that confident in Splitter's ability to play well consistently. He will go off in his Tiago Drago games, and then follow it up with lame duck performances. However, he's really picked up his play and consistency and is playing great defense. At this point I just want to get healthy, because Jax can also play some 4
How did this get to be a thing?
Splitter has the P.E.R of 20.2 (All-star level) He has played especially well since the Boston game. That being said Varejao has been playing out of his mind and someone else mind as well.
But I wouldn't pull the trigger on a deal because it would likely have to include Splitter, a 1st round pick, Neal and Bonner.
I'd doubt the spurs would move Jackson (or at least i hope not).
Mandatory quote:
Trading Splitter for Varejao would just defeat the purpose. We need to have 4 BIGMEN, not trade our 3rd bigman for another 3rd bigman, that's ing stupid.
The Spurs need someone like David West, he's FA after this season. The Spurs could add him then without trading away valuable players. Since the Lakers have chemistry problems, and OKC has lost Harden, the Spurs have chances of making the finals. Vs the Heat, Varejao probably wouldn't be needed that much.
We lost to the Knicks on our own homb floor, healthy, coughing up a homb game to a EC team while scoring 100 for the first time since 2007.
We essentially beat the Heat with half our B team and our C team on the road.
I don't think we have to worry about the Heat.
The Heat are going to play at another level in the playoffs. I don't think that the Spurs can beat them and that wouldn't change with Varejao. The Spurs already have the right players in Kawhi / Jack and Diaw to guard LeBron at PF.
in the playoffs a 3 threeman rotation is enough
the only problems with varejao is his injury history
hes one of the best pick and roll defenders in the league, a spur weakness
and hes the best rebounder in the league, another spur weakness
he also has a midrange shot
cleveland values him too much for the spurs to acquire him
cleveland would want something like leonard+splitter+ filler
varejao does increase spurs chance at a le in the 1-2 year span we have left so if we had to trade one of leonard or splitter i would do it
this dude man, ughh... Captain Obvious.
ty thread count: 3 (that I know of)
EDIT: Make that four ty threads. (Just saw the 'fools gold' thread)
Kawhi doesn't make enough money. It would have to be Jackson.:
Still way too early for the Spurs to think about trade scenarios. If Jackson isn't playing near 100% as the trade deadline approaches, then the Spurs should look to deal him. No use in going after Varejao this early.
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2012/...aliers-varejao
Should the Spurs consider trading Kawhi for Varejao?
By J. Gomez (Edg5)on Dec 6, 1:40p
I was reading The Point Forward's excellent article on Anderson Varejao and why the Cavaliers probably are not in a big rush to trade him. The case they make is that Andy V has as much value for the Cavs both on and off the court as he has to a contender, and the Cavs will have significant cap space even with Varejao on board. A trade prying away the best Brazilian big man in the league (sorry, Tiago and Nene) would have to be really enticing and not just a combination of expiring contracts and role players.
Sam's take on the subject provides the Spurs with the perfect complement to its front court without losing any vital pieces, but I doubt the Cavs would go for it, considering the reasons exposed by Golliver and Mahoney. Sure, the package the Spurs would be offering is not that bad, but Cleveland probably is not in as much of a hurry to get rid of Andy as some of us want them to be, and the team would have 28 other teams to negotiate with. I would be thrilled if they exchanged Jackson and Splitter for Andy, but I just don't see it happening.
If Varejao is going to be traded then productive young players, especially those on rookie deals, are probably going to be the asking price. Now, I have been obsessing about Varejao in a Spurs jersey for a long time; I think he would be the final piece that would transform the Spurs into an elite defensive squad with his pick and roll defense and outstanding rebounding. So the question I have been asking myself after reading both trade posts is, if getting Varejao means parting with Kawhi Leonard, should the Spurs consider it?
I hope Sam doesn't mind me getting into his turf, but this is the fake trade I came up with. The Spurs get Varejao and the Cavs get Tiago Splitter, Cory Joseph, Nando De Colo, and of course Leonard. I believe it works for the Cavs because they are getting a replacement for Andy in Tiago, plus two guys on very affordable deals and their starting small forward of the future. Splitter is a downgrade over Varejao at this point, but the Cavs are trying to build for long term success and finishing with a bad record is a step in the right direction - a very high pick. They can re-sign Splitter this off season to be either their starter or ideally their first big off the bench for the foreseeable future and pursue a starter either via the draft or free agency. Maybe get the Zeller brothers together or take their chances on high risk high reward picks like Rudy Gobert or Nerlens Noel.
De Colo and Joseph are immediate upgrades over Donald Sloan and Jeremy Pargoand could grow up with Irving, Waiters and Thompson. With the guard situation sorted out, Kawhi Leonard starting at small forward with C.J. Miles backing him up, and Splitter, Thompson and Zeller up front, Cleveland is only a solid big away from the playoffs. Leonard also brings the type of work ethic Varejao provides, while being the perfect fit next to the ball-dominant Irving and Waiters. The 2013/14 Cavs are likely better with this trade. But what about the Spurs?
Varejao would be a god-send for a Spurs team that has traditionally struggled with perimeter oriented bigs and defending the pick and roll. When you add San Antonio's recent defensive rebounding woes, Varejao makes even more sense, as he leads the league in defensive, offensive and total rebounds, rebounds per game and trails onlyReggie Evans in defensive rebound percentage. I love Splitter, but Varejao would be a huge upgrade, considering the Spurs' needs.
The loss of depth at point guard is not ideal, but the Spurs would still have Parker, Neal, Mills and Ginobili as creators. The biggest loss is Leonard, but the Spurs are not in a bad position to make up for it. Make no mistake, Jackson as a 30-minutes-a-game player is a downgrade over The Big Island and a Jackson-Pietrus/Anderson/D-League call up wing rotation is a worse combination than Leonard-Jackson. But the Spurs will be getting much, much better up front, and Danny Green is showing he can guard the three spot effectively. I'm convinced the Spurs are a better team after the trade, too.
But Leonard is younger and could blossom into a special player, so the question is how does the trade affect the silver and black in the future? And perhaps more importantly, should we care?
Tim Duncan has been playing so well this year that I am inclined to believe the Spurs can aspire to contend for longer than just this upcoming season. He and Manu, however, are on the wrong side of 30 and will slow down eventually. There's no Duncan on the way to allow Tim to take on the Robinson role; once Tim is gone, the Spurs will probably have to, for the first time in 25 years, consider rebuilding. Kawhi Leonard is a great young player, but he doesn't change that reality on his own. The Spurs will likely pick very low in this upcoming draft, a place where they have been hit or miss lately. The time to win is now.
A case could be made that keeping Leonard would help keep the championship window open and help with the rebuilding effort. Having your small forward of the future in place along with a few young players makes the team one slam dunk high pick away from relevancy. At the same time, if you believe, like I do, that Anderson Varejao would make the team significantly better in the short term, isn't that worth risking a hypothetical ideal future that may or may not materialize? If you don't like Andy, replace him with Josh Smith, Paul Millsap or whoever your heart desires. Would you trade Kawhi for them?
I honestly don't know. I think it depends on how much faith any one of us has in Leonard becoming a top 30 player in the next couple of years. But I think it's a question that's worth asking. How committed are the Spurs to contending right now?
Varejao thread! I was really starting to get worried, it had been about a week since the last one...
What Varejao would do against the Heat is win extra possessions with offensive rebounds and secure a defensive stop with a rebound. He would then find some rebound to rebound a rebound. It's just what he does.
West is trash. He's a ing black hole on offense, and plays no defense.
Do not want.
?go on...
Varejao doesn't have the offense to make other teams pay for going small, and he doesn't have the foot speed to guard LeBron or Durant at PF. On the other hand, players like Durant or LeBron can force the Spurs go small.
Pop prefers everyone in position for defense to avoid conceding high % fastbreak shots, more then hunting for offensive rebounds. But defensive rebounding would improve with Varejao.
I wouldn't agree West plays no defense or that he's a black hole on offense. He's also an all-star type of talent.
Sending Kawhi, De Colo, Cory and Splitter for Varejao? Splitter only probably has more upside than Varejao.
Last edited by dunkman; 12-09-2012 at 10:22 AM.
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