Spurs: Boris Diaw vs. David Lee

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You keep on hanging onto stats. Ive never said Diaws numbers are comparable to Lees, I said Diaw is a better player. A dumbass like Blair would likely put up double doubles with the Warriors if he was given enough minutes, it wouldnt make him a better player than Diaw even if Diaw simply did what he did with the Spurs last season (4 and 4). Undersized, unathletic PFs who play no defense but have a 'knack' for rebounding and can put up some points are some of the most overrated players in the league.

Seems pretty obvious you were trying to argue 4 and 4 Diaw > Lee. The fact you're trying to back out of it though tells me that you know you're wrong

[FkLA]

So basically you took a fairytale non-lazy version of Boris Diaw that doesn't exist. Totally logical .

Dont think it was a foregone conclusion that he wouldnt pick up his game tbh. He had never been in an environment as favorable as the Spurs imo.

1) Your arguments were as if he already had gotten his together. You weren't saying, "Diaw is better than Lee IF he gets his together," you specifically said he's better than Lee regardless. Now your changing your argument to Diaw > lee being contingent on Diaw getting in shape and not being lazy.

2) It's illogical because you treated a possible scenario (Diaw getting in shape and not being lazy) as a foregone conclusion that was guaranteed to happen.

I did treat it as a foregone conclusion, and was wrong in doing so which Ive admitted about ten times already. Maybe it was the fact that it was in shorter doses or the fact that he was so much better than Blair/Bonner...but I liked what I saw out of him last season, didnt really lollygag the way he has at times this season despite being heavier. for sure fooled me, cause I was expecting bigger things from him.

[FkLA]

Seems pretty obvious you were trying to argue 4 and 4 Diaw > Lee. The fact you're trying to back out of it though tells me that you know you're wrong

I still dont think much of Lee as a player. Would still take a top form Diaw over him, regardless of the numbers. Where I went wrong was expecting Diaw to be in top form.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dont think it was a foregone conclusion that he wouldnt pick up his game tbh. He had never been in an environment as favorable as the Spurs imo..

that's your argument, "Maybe I can't assume the positive, but you can't assume the negative!"

You're obviously not familiar with how logic works. In logic, you assume the norm until something contrary happens. By default, the logical assumption was Diaw's motivation continued as it had been the last several years.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I still dont think much of Lee as a player. Would still take a top form Diaw over him, regardless of the numbers. Where I went wrong was expecting Diaw to be in top form.

Totally irrelevant to what I quoted. You originally said you'd take 4 and 4 Diaw over Lee, and now you're backing away from that.

[FkLA]

that's your argument, "Maybe I can't assume the positive, but you can't assume the negative!"

You're obviously not familiar with how logic works. In logic, you assume the norm until something contrary happens. By default, the logical assumption was Diaw's motivation continued as it had been the last several years.

Why would that be logical when Charlotte and San Antonio are completely different? Thats like saying it wouldve been safe to assume Sheed would be as lazy with the Pistons as he wouldve been if he had stayed in those terrible Atlanta teams for more than one game.

[FkLA]

Totally irrelevant to what I quoted. You originally said you'd take 4 and 4 Diaw over Lee, and now you're backing away from that.

Maybe it was the fact that it was in shorter doses or the fact that he was so much better than Blair/Bonner...but I liked what I saw out of him last season, didnt really lollygag the way he has at times this season despite being heavier. for sure fooled me, cause I was expecting bigger things from him.

Not sure how its backtracking or stepping away from it. My assessment on Diaws motivation improving with the Spurs was way off, naturally that makes any other statement wrong too. Its not like I was ever arguing a lazy Diaw>Lee, like I said where I went wrong was expecting Diaw to not be lazy because of the nice short doses in half a season last year.

[Pelicans78]

I'm assuming that Lee doesn't have anything to do with GSW being 13-7.

Can't believe how anyone would take Diaw over Lee. Lee is clearly a better player.

[Pelicans78]

Lee > motivated Diaw

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why would that be logical when Charlotte and San Antonio are completely different? Thats like saying it wouldve been safe to assume Sheed would be as lazy with the Pistons as he wouldve been if he had stayed in those terrible Atlanta teams for more than one game.

You assume the null hypothesis until proven differently, this is one of the most basic logical concepts someone who's taking applied math classes should easily grasp. If you haven't learned this yet, you will in the basic stat class all engineering majors have to take.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm assuming that Lee doesn't have anything to do with GSW being 13-7.

They be undefeated without him!

[Bill_Brasky]

but the Spurs went on a huge run when they got Diaw last year.

[mathbzh]

but the Spurs went on a huge run when they got Diaw last year.

And the Bobcats went to the playoffs with a motivated Diaw
And the Suns made the conference finals with Diaw replacing Stoudemire.

I will not compare Diaw and Lee, but when Diaw is motivated (not often) he is really a special player.

For David Lee... is 13-7 more meaningful that 23-43 (or any of his other records with NYK or GSW)?

Lee career W/L: 199/319... sorry bur 13-7 is not exactly impressive

[DMC]

I haven't watched Lee enough to know how good he is. I think many people are just taking the fact that Lee is a name. Most here don't watch GSW games and didn't see a lot of him in NY. We know Diaw through our battles with the Suns and during his stint here.

In the Spurs system, either would be good. I'd take Lee in the Spurs system over Diaw in the Spurs system right now because I know what Diaw is doing is deferring and I hate capable people who defer. He's not looking for a better shot, he's just dumping the ball off. I think he's still in some kind of a cruise mode. However, he's black and Lee is white and eventually something in him will break and he will unleash hundreds of years of pent up slave rage and become a monster on the court.

[jeebus]

he will unleash hundreds of years of pent up slave rage and become a monster on the court.

he only does that at Golden Corral tbqhwy

[ElNono]

I haven't watched Lee enough to know how good he is. I think many people are just taking the fact that Lee is a name. Most here don't watch GSW games and didn't see a lot of him in NY. We know Diaw through our battles with the Suns and during his stint here.

In the Spurs system, either would be good. I'd take Lee in the Spurs system over Diaw in the Spurs system right now because I know what Diaw is doing is deferring and I hate capable people who defer. He's not looking for a better shot, he's just dumping the ball off. I think he's still in some kind of a cruise mode. However, he's black and Lee is white and eventually something in him will break and he will unleash hundreds of years of pent up slave rage and become a monster on the court.

Wild Cobra would tell you Lee is the hard working guy earning his money, while Diaw is the one looking for a handout, no racist, tbqh, imooooo....

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Diaw isn't a black guy with typical pent up slave rage. His black genes come his his Senegalese dad so he's more of a Francophone African (i.e. Diop, Sene, Petro). In my experiece, Francophone Africans are some of the most obnoxious and filthy ill-mannered, lazy people on the face of the Earth. State universities love employing them because they don't demand a high salary and can teach both French and African studies classes, and they're always the most universally hated professors at the school because of how inconsiderate and lazy they are as teachers.

[DPG21920]

DoK - was your favorite president Lincoln?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Teddy Roosevelt tbh.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Diaw isn't a black guy with typical pent up slave rage. His black genes come his his Senegalese dad so he's more of a Francophone African (i.e. Diop, Sene, Petro). In my experiece, Francophone Africans are some of the most obnoxious and filthy ill-mannered, lazy people on the face of the Earth. State universities love employing them because they don't demand a high salary and can teach both French and African studies classes, and they're always the most universally hated professors at the school because of how inconsiderate and lazy they are as teachers.

tbh the biggest thing true Africans and Afro-Americans have in common (besides skin color) is their love of having a bluetooth in their ear 24/7.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

tbh the biggest thing true Africans and Afro-Americans have in common (besides skin color) is their love of having a bluetooth in their ear 24/7.

when I used to play pickup basketball a lot, the brothas in their late 20s/early 30s loved to play with a blue toof in their ear. When I saw one of the guys who always did it worked at Best Buy, it was even funnier.

[Brazil]

Diaw isn't a black guy with typical pent up slave rage. His black genes come his his Senegalese dad so he's more of a Francophone African (i.e. Diop, Sene, Petro). In my experiece, Francophone Africans are some of the most obnoxious and filthy ill-mannered, lazy people on the face of the Earth. State universities love employing them because they don't demand a high salary and can teach both French and African studies classes, and they're always the most universally hated professors at the school because of how inconsiderate and lazy they are as teachers.

that's a lot of caricature tbh

[Bill_Brasky]

when I used to play pickup basketball a lot, the brothas in their late 20s/early 30s loved to play with a blue toof in their ear. When I saw one of the guys who always did it worked at Best Buy, it was even funnier.

[DMC]

Diaw isn't a black guy with typical pent up slave rage. His black genes come his his Senegalese dad so he's more of a Francophone African (i.e. Diop, Sene, Petro). In my experiece, Francophone Africans are some of the most obnoxious and filthy ill-mannered, lazy people on the face of the Earth. State universities love employing them because they don't demand a high salary and can teach both French and African studies classes, and they're always the most universally hated professors at the school because of how inconsiderate and lazy they are as teachers.

Yeah but he's been here long enough to have earned some reparation credits.

[FkLA]

You assume the null hypothesis until proven differently, this is one of the most basic logical concepts someone who's taking applied math classes should easily grasp. If you haven't learned this yet, you will in the basic stat class all engineering majors have to take.

Resorting to logical concepts.

But if you wanna play like that, if variables are changed theres always the possibility of a different outcome. Thats a basic concept in a basic algebra class all accounting majors have to take.