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Pretty easy to tell who has been suckered by NRA/gun industry/ALEC "2nd Amendment" bull .
Pretty easy to tell who has kids and who doesn't from this thread.......
Pretty easy to tell who has been suckered by NRA/gun industry/ALEC "2nd Amendment" bull .
Whatever.
Maybe one day you'll be a parent and will look at such tragedies as something different than an opportunity to spout of a bunch of rhetoric.
Last edited by coyotes_geek; 12-14-2012 at 05:11 PM.
What if they were VRWC kids, b?
What the is wrong with people these days??? How ed up does a person have to be to gun down 20 children between 5 and 10?? I don't usually cry over like this, but I've been holding back tears all ing day. May that son of a burn in if there is one.
Hours After Connecticut Kindergarten Shooting, Michigan GOP Calls For Allowing Guns In Schools
What happened in Connecticut, however, is not because of nor related in any way to actions taken by the Michigan House yesterday in approving Senate Bill 59. …
It is the belief of many representatives in our caucus that it is criminals who have no intention of following any law that are the perpetrators of such heinous crimes as school shootings. Strict gun-control laws do not stop criminals
from committing evil acts, they merely infringe on the rights of law-abiding citizens who might be able to take action against evil if given the chance.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...ns-in-schools/
It wasn't emotionally affecting me really. I guess in my head it was just another school shooting, that we are just gonna have to get used to this because this is how its going to be. But I was listening to NPR in the car and it really hit me when they were interviewing some of the parents who were talking about how their kids had described the situation. THEN it hit me. I didn't full out cry but I almost had to pull over because my eyes were watering.
Last edited by Drachen; 12-14-2012 at 05:38 PM.
Right there with you. I just want to get home and hug my son.
I think that what really put me over the edge and just showed how innocent the kids were and how that is gone was the mom saying "my son said he was in the gym and heard a snapping sound. That's how he described it "a snapping sound", he had never heard a gun before."
In 50 out of 60 cases of mass shootings, mass shooters obtain their guns legally.
What a goddamn travesty
The good news is that another sick just committed suicide.
(the bad news is pretty ing obvious)
How old is he? Will you talk to him about what happened?
There is no problem that the proliferation of hand guns and assault rifles cannot solve.
I'm from the UK and eternally thankful that we don't allow civilians to carry guns. However, strict gun control (genuinely strict, not American "strict") didn't save 77 lives in Norway a couple years ago.
If people want to get guns, they will get them. You could ban guns outright in America tomorrow and these shootings would still continue. There are just too many guns in civilian hands, ban them and they will all go to criminals and will still be trivial to obtain for people like this.
It's a horrible situation the US has put itself in, of which there is no simple solution. Neither more guns or no guns will solve the problem, regardless of which each side of the argument says.
Washington Post article: 12 facts about gun violence in the US
There will always be outliers like the Norway case. However, the bottomline is that at an aggregate level, more guns = more deaths. And the majority are caused by legally procured guns.
Of course, like Richie said, the cat is out of the bag already. There are too many guns out there, so better get used to more stories like this.
You say Norway is an outlier, but I'm not sure I agree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting
A number of school shootings in Canada and Europe, and I doubt this is a comprehensive list either. While I believe the US are by far the worst offender, it strikes me as notable that other countries have similar attacks where gun laws are even stricter.
No doubt more guns = more deaths, but when referring to these kind of shootings I'm not sure if the correlation carries.
Not going to change in my lifetime, but that doesn't preclude a turn down the road. I doubt that Frederick Douglas expected change in his lifetime, nor the civil rights activists in the 1930's, etc...The longest war: The shooting at a Connecticut school shows, once again, that there’s no end in sight to our lethal way of life
It is hard to pin down exactly when Americans made the collective decision that periodic massacres of the innocent are the price that we supposedly pay for our liberties.
The result is an America that no sane person of any political persuasion could have possibly wished for. Who in his right mind wants to live in a country where maybe twice a year a crazed individual guns down dozens of people in schools and theaters? There is no plausible remedy since we are neither going to disarm Americans nor are we going to pass out guns to elementary school teachers as a just-in-case precaution.
All we can do is mourn and mourn again. And think of the young children who died only because they went to school giggling over silly things and dreaming of recess. Such is the American way of life and, sadly, death.
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You start from first principles and go from there.
You gotta put decades on the table.
Last edited by Capt Bringdown; 12-14-2012 at 11:04 PM.
He turns 3 next week, so too young to comprehend something like this.
Ya. Too young. I mentioned something to my 6 yr old daughter, just trying to be honest and explain what happened to the best of my ability and my wife freaked out. Wanted to keep her in the dark about the whole situation. I don't know, from my perspective honesty just seemed to be the best policy.
We might look to how the Australians responded to 1996's Port Arthur massacre as a way forward.
Happy early birthday to him! My oldest just turned 3 a month ago.
There are more than 58,000 gunshops in the U.S....
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/li...00-gunshops-usThere are, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (PDF), more than 58,000 gunshops in this country.
There are fewer than 20,000 Starbucks (PDF) in the whole world.
Jay Carney, the president's press secretary, said this morning that this isn't the time to talk about gun control.
I wonder if the Texas wing-nuts will show up in mass to these victimized gun shops to buy guns tomorrow like with Chick fill a?
Gun sales always go up after incidents like these. I'm sure they'll be fine. Watch for a Smith & Wesson stock e on Monday.
Pretty disgusting to bring political jargon with the bodies not even cold yet. Classy as always DOK.
Coward+keyboard+sense of en lement=DOK
IMO this one was shocking. Unlike other mass casualty shootings, the evil POS targeted children. I wanted to run and grab my kids out of school and just hug them.
I'm sickened thinking about these poor kids sitting there crying. It's great to hear of the teachers defending their children and not just thinking of themselves.
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