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Those stats must be before the unification.
He was still blaming the 25yo brother, who was innocent of everything. I hope he says the out of every major news outlet and makes $$$$$
No .
Those stats must be before the unification.
I have no clue where you got thsoe stats, why didn't you link it?
Anyway, by your stats, the US has an approximate 15.5 x murder rate than Sweden does, per capita. Did you know that conscription into the military is Sweden was a 100% requirement for all able bodied males until 2010? When they left the service, they went home with their weapon. Sweden probably has the highest gun ownership rate in the world.
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I'm sorry, my mistake. It is Switzerland that actually requires the service member keep all his weapons issued to him at home, and has the 100% conscription. The US has an 8 x murder rate per capita over Switzerland than we do.
You're an idiot. The Daily Mail is a piece of I wouldn't wipe my ass with, not to mention your homicide rate per 100,000 is 4.2 whereas the UKs is 1.2. Nearly 4 times higher.
I don't really give a about US gun control laws, I generally side with the idea that since you have them you can't get rid of them, but you're just a ing moron.
People like Bob Stoops should be banned for multiple identical graphics.
I don't know about gun ownership rates, but the US has by far the most guns per person. Of course there are lots of people with dozens of guns for example which skew the statistics, it's perfectly plausible that there is higher gun ownership in Sweden.
The real argument when people show such a stat on handgun deaths is to look up the knife deaths for the corresponding countries. I imagine the US has very, very low knife homicide compared to the UK for example.
Can't find the stats, just a guess. The US homicide rate is however significantly higher than that in western Europe. Make of that what you will.
Yes, he is an idiot. Same can be said for you. His chart is of "violent crimes." not murder.
That is the problem the anti gun crowd never acknowledges. We have so many guns out there now, that only the upstanding legal citizen would turn their gins in, and then more criminals would have them by percentage. What criminal is going to release his gun willingly?
Most guns per person, but less equally divided. I'm not sure about Sweden, but Switzerland at least has almost every male member of age owning at least one rifle.
Agreed. I just started looking at stats. Wiki has an entry on it, but you can't trust Wiki either until, verified:
Wiki: List of countries by intentional homicide rate
Anyway, the world average is 7.6 per 100,000 with the US at 4.2. The Americas average is 15.4
Western Europe is 1.0.
You simply can't compare violent crime between countries because the definition of violent crime varies so much, as well as variation in incident reporting. The only relevant statistic for comparison is homicide rate and method of homicide. Plus as I said, the Daily Mail is a scaremongering newspaper so take their statistics with a pinch of salt.
Now, if you believe this link: Total crimes (most recent) by country
It shows that the UK has a crime rate of almost 3 times that of the USA. In fact, only Japan has a lower crime rate than the USA of the countries listed in the OP.
I will contend that our lower crime rate has much to do with a criminal not knowing if someone may be carrying.
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 12-15-2012 at 02:40 AM.
I will agree, but you shouldn't have chastised him on your mistake.
IMO the Swiss model is what the founding fathers envisioned when they wrote the cons ution. The Swiss see a firearm as an instrument of national defence. Despite the high number of guns they have a similar firearm homicide rate to the UK and other countries with strict gun controls.
The problems in the US are as much to do with the American culture related to guns rather than the proliferation of guns. The fact that you have millionaire sportsmen shooting themselves with guns is proof enough of that.
I agree. The gun is only a tool. It's the morality and training of the people, not the tool they use.
Sorry, but no. The guy has clearly done a little google to find an article that backs up his opinion and posted it constantly. He hasn't got a clue about what happens in Britain. Crime figures have nothing to do with gun laws in this country, we have had gun controls since well before WW2. Not to mention I wouldn't believe anything written by that abortion of a newspaper regardless.
Again there are perfectly appropriate arguments to be made when it comes to Britain and guns, such as the fact that after an outright ban on handguns there was no statistical difference in gun related deaths in the following 10 years.
Weird.
I would think gun violence would increase, but yes. Banning guns would not do any good.
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I see two possible outcomes if guns were to somehow be outlawed (won't happen, but whatever). First, if most law abiding citizens handed over their weapons, there'd still be a ton of illegal guns floating around. Gun trade would be similar to alcohol prohibition and organized crime would skyrocket. Or second, civil war would break out, because there's no way the government could disarm all the rednecks out there.
People are imperfect beings which means they can be sick evil s sometimes. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying evil will always exist since people have free will and are imperfect beings. Everyone is talking about stricter gun laws but why not prepare people for this ? Why not have drills and classes for like this so people can be trained on how to deal with this crazy ?
I don't think many Americans understand that their cultural affinity with guns is very different to that of the rest of the world. Why do you think gun violence would increase? Nobody in the UK would even consider carrying a gun for self defence even before the outright ban, we've had strict controls on guns for nearly a century.
The whole point is that very few people had handguns, around 30,000 were handed over in the 5 years after the law came in.
This. The biggest problem with America is its obsession with guns (odd how the one "Christian" first world country left is the one obsessed with guns). That's why I'm tempted to agree with the gun lovers to an extent, people in America love guns so much and that's mainly why there are so many victims of gun violence every year. It's a cultural problem that can't be solved by gun laws.
Who's culture does most the gun violence come from? Are you speaking of race or religion?
I'm speaking of America as a whole, no particular race or religion.
That's because you can't handle the truth.
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