Handgun murder stats

[Richie]

Where'd you go Duncan?

Am I to understand you want to see more abortion, as a preemptive killing, to prevent future killings?

I understand this is a big thing in America compared to pretty much everyone else in the western world, but a fetus isn't life until it can survive on it's own. Aborting a fetus at 8 or 10 weeks isn't murder IMO.

However, you must surely agree that teenage pregnancy is a key factor in poverty. Less teenage pregnancy = less poverty, and since we all agree that the cause of the majority of gun deaths is poverty, does this not answer your question?

[TSA]

Lol my lapdog follows me everywhere through the club to the NFL forum. Do you want my or something?

Do you not understand the purpose of a forum? You post, someone replies. Simple concept really. Whatever dude, I'm out. Obviously not getting an intelligent response out of you. Having fun running around the board calling people lapdogs, like that is some sort of insult, don't forget to add your patented got closer for a real zinger. Enjoy the rest of your day on a message board, I'm getting ready to go to Idyllwild to shoot my new 14.5 BCM "assault rifle", and like a responsible adult I'll be sure to bring my handguns.

[mavs>spurs]

I understand this is a big thing in America compared to pretty much everyone else in the western world, but a fetus isn't life until it can survive on it's own. Aborting a fetus at 8 or 10 weeks isn't murder IMO.

However, you must surely agree that teenage pregnancy is a key factor in poverty. Less teenage pregnancy = less poverty, and since we all agree that the cause of the majority of gun deaths is poverty, does this not answer your question?

yeah you british suckers have end of life paths for kids who are born with any sort of defects, a lot of the parents of these kids speak out saying that their kids are now full grown adults who lead happy, normal lives and the doctors wanted to murder them in infancy. they did a whole report on it how they starve and dehydrate the little babies over the course of days and leave them to die in their little beds. you british are some nasty teeth, tea and crumpet eating sick s and i'm glad all the ambitious ones of the bunch migrated here hundreds of years ago and left you gots to rot in .

[mavs>spurs]

Do you not understand the purpose of a forum? You post, someone replies. Simple concept really. Whatever dude, I'm out. Obviously not getting an intelligent response out of you. Having fun running around the board calling people lapdogs, like that is some sort of insult, don't forget to add your patented got closer for a real zinger. Enjoy the rest of your day on a message board, I'm getting ready to go to Idyllwild to shoot my new 14.5 BCM "assault rifle", and like a responsible adult I'll be sure to bring my handguns.

i hate you sometimes and think you can be a total got but i'm backing you up 100% these last couple of days, i'm also going out to shoot my .40 cal later this afternoon shortly

[TSA]

i hate you sometimes and think you can be a total got but i'm backing you up 100% these last couple of days, i'm also going out to shoot my .40 cal later this afternoon shortly

Click clack. Got my Sig 229 equinox in .40, love that gun. Once I move out of Cali it will be my everyday concealed carry.

[Richie]

yeah you british suckers have end of life paths for kids who are born with any sort of defects, a lot of the parents of these kids speak out saying that their kids are now full grown adults who lead happy, normal lives and the doctors wanted to murder them in infancy. they did a whole report on it how they starve and dehydrate the little babies over the course of days and leave them to die in their little beds. you british are some nasty teeth, tea and crumpet eating sick s and i'm glad all the ambitious ones of the bunch migrated here hundreds of years ago and left you gots to rot in .

Still a moron I see. The care pathways you are mentioning are an topic of interesting debate over here at the moment, I'm happy to have a real debate about it but you seem incapable to actually having a rational debate.

Personally I have no problem with euthanasia for terminally ill patients, young or old, and I dislike care pathways as it's a horrible halfway house which is the worst of all worlds.

[mavs>spurs]

these weren't terminally ill patients, they were children born with varying degrees of birth defects many of whom outgrew them and grew up to be healthy but if their doctors had their way would have been murdered in infancy. that's the problem with doctors playing god to free up a bed and lower costs, you can't really measure the fight in a person or their will to live, supernatural forces or luck if you're non religious etc, those things that cause a person to defeat the odds. you trendies and liberals always play the "you're just a big dummy and not enlightened like me!" card but son in reality you don't havfe a pot to piss in and sound like an ass on the subject. blah blah blah that's all you've got to say, i'm having a real conversation and making real points the difference is i can insult you and make you look like a clown at the same time too. lol tea and crumpets.

[Richie]

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about. Care pathways are for end-of-life care, not just people with birth defects. However, when I have a child I will definitely test for downs syndrome and would consider aborting if the test was positive.

And trust me, I'm not a liberal as you understand it. A classical liberal maybe, but not a big government liberal like you think I am.

[Wild Cobra]

I understand this is a big thing in America compared to pretty much everyone else in the western world, but a fetus isn't life until it can survive on it's own. Aborting a fetus at 8 or 10 weeks isn't murder IMO.

However, you must surely agree that teenage pregnancy is a key factor in poverty. Less teenage pregnancy = less poverty, and since we all agree that the cause of the majority of gun deaths is poverty, does this not answer your question?

I understand exactly what he is saying, and it boils down to him ignoring the root problem.

Individual responsibility.

[Richie]

I understand exactly what he is saying, and it boils down to him ignoring the root problem.

Individual responsibility.

I agree completely, but is it reasonable to expect teenagers of 14 and 15 to always make rational choices? I would argue perhaps not.

I've had this debate before, and what people ignore is that it is you picking up the bill. Your tax dollars are paying child support for these kids who basically trap their mothers in to a life of poverty. Giving women the choice is in everyones best interests.

[HI-FI]

I agree completely, but is it reasonable to expect teenagers of 14 and 15 to always make rational choices? I would argue perhaps not.

I've had this debate before, and what people ignore is that it is you picking up the bill. Your tax dollars are paying child support for these kids who basically trap their mothers in to a life of poverty. Giving women the choice is in everyones best interests.

but that also brings up the point of a welfare state as well. People feel like they can be more careless in their choices if they feel like Big Brother will offer them a safety net (ie other people picking up the tab). Perhaps in a situation where people realize they have to be more accountable and fix their on mistakes, perhaps they won't be ing around as much and allowing a guy to creampie them.

however, Africa is a hole and people are still popping out kids in the midst of poverty, so basically humanity is damaged goods.

[leemajors]

but that also brings up the point of a welfare state as well. People feel like they can be more careless in their choices if they feel like Big Brother will offer them a safety net (ie other people picking up the tab). Perhaps in a situation where people realize they have to be more accountable and fix their on mistakes, perhaps they won't be ing around as much and allowing a guy to creampie them.

however, Africa is a hole and people are still popping out kids in the midst of poverty, so basically humanity is damaged goods.

No, sex is the best free entertainment there is. You're way overthinking it.

[HI-FI]

No, sex is the best free entertainment there is. You're way overthinking it.

it's a great form of entertainment, no doubt, but I don't know if free is the word I'd use. Maybe best form of entertainment that you have to work at, unless one is like the average ST member who wins fights at the bar and s every lady there afterwards.

[Wild Cobra]

I agree completely, but is it reasonable to expect teenagers of 14 and 15 to always make rational choices? I would argue perhaps not.

I've had this debate before, and what people ignore is that it is you picking up the bill. Your tax dollars are paying child support for these kids who basically trap their mothers in to a life of poverty. Giving women the choice is in everyones best interests.

What about the father?

I say give them a choice all right. Adoption. There are plenty of people who want to adopt infants. Few adoptive parents want kids raised already from someone else. I'll go past that. If children become the reason to get on the government take, then since responsibility was not used, to prevent this from happening again, both parents get their tubes tied. If the parents have a child they cannot afford to take care of at the time when they conceive, then make it so they cannot do the same thing again. Ehat right do they have to put tax payers in that position?

Abortion should be outlawed. It is immoral.

[johnsmith]

Racist

[Wild Cobra]

Racist

Talking to me?

That isn't racist. Are you saying only one race has this problem?

[johnsmith]

Talking to me?

That isn't racist. Are you saying only one race has this problem?

Spare me....anyone that has watched you post over the years knows you're a racist and terrified of them "colored folks" as you put it.

[Wild Cobra]

Spare me....anyone that has watched you post over the years knows you're a racist and terrified of them "colored folks" as you put it.

No, but I do push the bounds to see how many people like you are indoctrinated to believe that any remark that can be construed as racist is. You proved yourself to be a moronic bigot, or for lack of better terms, reverse racism.

[johnsmith]

No, but I do push the bounds to see how many people like you are indoctrinated to believe that any remark that can be construed as racist is. You proved yourself to be a moronic bigot, or for lack of better terms, reverse racism.

Lol...you go ahead and show me an example of me displaying reverse racism you hateful .

[Wild Cobra]

Lol...you go ahead and show me an example of me displaying reverse racism you hateful .

Your recent actions are a perfect example.

[Wild Cobra]

My proposed actions are racist, but abortion isn't? How do you figure?

link: Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger

[johnsmith]

Your recent actions are a perfect example.

Lol...which recent actions? I you're referring to me calling you a racist , then I find it funny that anyone that finds you to be a racist is obviously a racist....honestly, at least your consistently an idiot.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Oh well. I tried.

[boutons_deux]

5 Lies The Gun Lobby Tells You

America’s seems to be in for another debate over gun regulation after the slaughter at Sandy Hook Elementary School left 27 (mostly children) dead. So it’s worth reviewing five made against regulating gun ownership in the United States:

MYTH #1: More guns don’t lead to more murders. A survey by researchers at the Harvard University School of Public Health found strong statistical support for the idea that, even if you control for poverty levels, more people die from gun homicides in areas with higher rates of gun ownership [2]. And despite what gun advocates say, countries like Israel and Switzerland don’t disprove the point [3].

MYTH #2: The Second Amendment prohibits strict gun control. While the Supreme Court ruled in D.C. v. er that bans on handgun ownership were uncons utional, the ruling gives the state and federal governments a great deal of la ude to regulate that gun ownership as they choose. As the U.S. Second Court of Appeals put it in a recent ruling [4] upholding a New York regulation, “The state’s ability to regulate firearms and, for that matter, conduct, is qualitatively different in public than in the home. er reinforces this view. In striking D.C.’s handgun ban, the Court stressed that banning usable handguns in the home is a ‘policy choice[]‘ that is ‘off the table,’ but that a variety of other regulatory options remain available, including categorical bans on firearm possession in certain public locations.”

MYTH #3: State-level gun controls haven’t worked. Scholars Richard Florida and Charlotta Mellander recently studied [5] state-to-state variation in gun homicide levels. They found that [6] “[f]irearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation.” This is backed up by research on local gun control efforts [6] and cross-border gun violence [7].

MYTH #4: We only need better enforcement of the laws we have, not new laws. In fact, Congress has passed several laws that cripple the ability for current gun regulations to be enforced the way that they’re supposed to. According to researchers at the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research, a series of federal laws [8] referred to as the Tiahrt amendments “limit public access to crime gun trace data, prohibit the use of gun trace data in hearings, pertaining to licensure of gun dealers and litigation against gun dealers, and restrict ATF’s authority to require gun dealers to conduct a physical inventory of their firearms.” Other federal laws “limited the ATF compliance inspections” and grant “broad protections from lawsuits against firearm manufacturers and retail sellers.”

MYTH #5: Sensible gun regulation is prohibitively unpopular. Not necessarily. As the New Republic’s Amy Sullivan reported after the series of mass shootings this summer, a majority of Americans would prefer both to enforce existing law more strictly and pass new regulations on guns [9] when given the option to choose both rather than either/or. Specific gun regulations are also often more popular than the abstract idea [5].

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...tter761596&t=8

If the guns-and-ammo/NRA lips are moving, they're lying to you FOR PROFIT.

[Wild Cobra]

Another alternet reality view.