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You stupid . We don't restrict abortion. If you want to compare the abortion argument with gun arguments then we should be arguing that the government should buy my guns for me.
what would happen if gun purchasing, licensing, and access were treated with the same fervor as restricting a woman's right to choose. Why can't we create a Targeted Regulation of Ammunition Providers? How can a state that makes a woman wait 72 hours after talking to a doctor before she can have an abortion allow a person to purchase a handgun the second an "instant background check" comes back clean? How does it seem reasonable that I receive about 4000 locations for "gun shops in Mississippi," yet the state offers only one clinic where a woman can end an unwanted pregnancy?
What if for every regulation on clinics and providers, termination methods or informed consent mandate, an equal bill was proposed to regulate the firearms industry? While trying to access a gun shop, the customer will need to first navigate his or her way past sidewalk counselors who will be offering pamphlets or maybe even large posters showing what the victims of gun crimes look like. On a good day, it may just be someone imploring the customer to be more responsible, that a weapon isn't the answer. Other days there may be more zealous counselors who unfortunately might call them names, shout, perhaps even try to block their access to the store in an attempt to start a conversation.
No gun or ammunition purchase could be completed until a potential customer speaks to a shop owner, then returns home and comes back to the shop a minimum of 24 hours later (72 hours if you live in Utah). Guns can only be purchased in stores dedicated directly to the seling of firearms and ammunition, and obtained from sellers with full legal arms licensing and certification as well as a proper professional background, such as former military or police officers. The gun shops themselves should sell only guns and gun supplies, and may not be a part of any other store such as department or sporting goods store. However it also must ensure that it is the full size and scope in layout and building plan of any other retail store, despite not needing the additional space or equipment.
A customer must provide the gun seller with the reason he or she is purchasing the gun, as well as sit down with the seller to tell him or her if anyone may be pressuring the customer into purchasing a gun. The seller will need to determine if the customer may feel unsafe and remind the potential customer that there are in fact other protection options.
In South Dakota, a customer would also have to go visit an outside organization before completing the handgun or ammunition purchase. The outside group will simply be checking to ensure that the potential gun owner is making the right decision. Unfortunately, there may be some strong-arming to try to talk him or her out of continuing the purchase, and either way the outside group will now have personal information about the customer and his or her intent to buy a weapon.
Many other states, on the other hand, will provide the shop owner with a script to be read to the customer before final payment and exchange of goods, reminding him or her that a gun is a dangerous weapon and repeating the names of each mass shooting in the last 12 months. Some states may even require customers to listen to a description of a recent shooting, although that can be bypassed if it is watched 24 hours in advance via website or phone recording.
Regardless of all of these steps, and whether the weapon is in the end obtained legally, the shop owner would still be held liable for any injuries that occur from the purchased gun or ammunition. The owner could be sued not just by the person who purchased the gun, but any relatives would also acquire the right to sue should any unintended violence occur at the hands of the purchaser.
If it's so easy to regulate abortion out of existence under the guise of protecting the women who are legally enacting their right to privacy, why can't we regulate guns just enough to ensure that 20 schoolkids can't be slaughtered in time it takes to sing the alphabet?
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/articl...ality+Check%29
I would require the gun store owner to perform a DRE on each gun buyer, at time of application and then upon delivery, while video recording all DREs to be sent to FBI.
You stupid . We don't restrict abortion. If you want to compare the abortion argument with gun arguments then we should be arguing that the government should buy my guns for me.
"We don't restrict abortion"
You stupid . TX and other "Christian" red-states have restricted abortion with many obstacles, just like the one in the above article.
"the government should buy my guns for me."
I would prefer an annual gun ownership tax and heavy sales taxes on guns and ammo.
You are too ing dumb to even get it. You support free contraception and abortions by the government. Why not free guns from the government?
The current (realistic) arguments on abortion are simply who should pay for it. Nobody is realistically talking about banning abortion.
Disagree. And abortions are not free. There's a difference between government subsidizing abortion clinics and "free abortions"...
In 2009, the average cost of a nonhospital abortion with local anesthesia at 10 weeks of gestation was $451 (AGI)
Rick Perry just said today that he plans to support any TX legislation that effectively blocks all abortions in TX. All the red-states are putting up obstacles that effectively ban, even criminalize, abortion.
Rick Perry: Legislature Will Work Out Punishment for Women Seeking Later Abortions Under Proposed Ban
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/articl...ality+Check%29
It's AL I think that was planning to imprison a lady because she was an addict and pregnant.
Oh please. In many cases(admittedly, not all) Medicaid or the state pays for it.
So? He can throw out whatever bull he wants but that doesn't mean he can do it.
I want my free assault rifle.
Source? Thanks.
What's the significance of a 20 week ban? Does it have anything to do with the inauguration?
Good. That is the moral equivalent of charging someone with vehicular manslaughter when they kill someone else while driving drunk.
Six Extreme Policies That Prove The NRA Is Out Of Step With America1. Wanted people on the terrorist watch list to be legally able to acquire guns. Inasmuch as it makes sense to have a secret “terrorism watch list,” one would think a primary reason would be to prevent people who might commit terrorism from accessing the weapons that one uses to do so. Yet people on the watch list are still allowed to by guns: in 2010 alone, at least 247 people suspected of involvement with terrorism bought guns legally. While 71 percent of NRA membesr support closing the so-called “terror gap,” the NRA claims efforts to close the loophole are plots by “politicians who hate the Second Amendment.”
2. Opposed required background checks on every gun sale. Forty percent of all gun sales legally take place without background checks on the purchaser, because federal law doesn’t require them for so-called “private” gun sales at places like gun shows. Eighty percent of gun crimes involve guns purchased in this fashion. NRA members recognize how dangerous this law is; 69 percent of them support a “proposal requiring all gun sellers at gun shows to conduct criminal background checks of the people buying guns.” Yet the NRA opposes any effort to close this loophole, calling it “a stepping stone for gun control advocates seeking to ban all private sales, even among family and friends.”
3. Lobbied to allow warlords to get arms on the international market. The U.N. Arms Trade Treaty is a small step towards the regulation of the massive international weapons trade, aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of murderous insurgents and terrorists. It contains zero restrictions on domestic gun markets. Yet the NRA has vigorously opposed the ATT, calling it an “attack on our Second Amendment freedoms” by “global gun grabbers.”
4. Wanted to prevent the public from accessing information about where guns come from. Though there’s a federal database that traces sales of guns used in crimes, you’ll never know what’s in there. That’s because NRA has helped muscle through the so-called “Tiahrt Amendments” (named after sponsor, former Rep. Todd Tiahrt [R-KS]) to the federal gun code, which prevent the public, journalists, academic researchers, some police officers, and people suing the gun industry from accessing crucially valuable data. The Tiahrt Amendments were passed over the objection of federal and local law enforcement.
5. Pushed to keep guns in bars. Guns and drunk people don’t mix well. Yet when the Tennessee legislature was considering banning guns in establishments that make most of their money from booze, an NRA lobbyist was given a rare opportunity to address the state GOP caucus opposing the bill. It died.
6) Supported forcing all business owners to allow guns on their property. Many business owners are understandably nervous about permitting people to bring loaded guns to work. Yet the NRA has pushed legislation in a number of states that would force businesses to allow employees to bring guns to work provided they leave them in their cars.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201.../nra-gun-laws/
9 Horrible Gun Laws Backed by the Right Wing
1. Guns on Campus
Dubbed the “Campus Personal Protection Act,” [5]this model legislation would allow handguns to be carried on campus. The ALEC bill would also “limit” regulations that the governing boards of colleges imposed on the carrying of guns on campus.
The bill is part of a wave of “concealed carry” gun laws that have passed around the nation--some with ALEC’s help. As the Center for Media and Democracy notes [3], “allowing ‘concealed carry’ has been a long-standing part of the NRA-ALEC agenda, passing in Wisconsin a year ago at the urging of Governor Scott Walker, who was given an award by the NRA [6] for making this item law along with a version of the controversial ALEC-NRA "Stand Your Ground"/"Castle Doctrine" bill. A concealed carry law also was just passed last week in Michigan [7].”
2. Immediate Firearm Purchases
ALEC wants you to be able to get your gun--and get it fast. Blueprint legislation passed by the group’s NRA-chaired “Public Safety and Election Task Force” would prohibit waiting periods from being used on gun purchases. “The imposition of ‘waiting periods’ for firearms purchases is a diversion of scarce law enforcement resources away from violent crime and criminals,” the bill reads. [8]
3. More ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws
The Trayvon Martin case made “stand your ground” laws, or “Castle Doctrine” laws, a household name. Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, claimed that he acted lawfully in “self-defense” when he shot the unarmed teenager. Florida has a “Stand Your Ground” bill on the books that makes it more difficult to prosecute people for killing someone if they claim “self-defense.”
ALEC wants to bring more of these laws to your state. Here’s how they sum up what the bill does: [9] “This act authorizes the use of force, including deadly force, against an intruder or attacker in a dwelling, residence, or vehicle under specified cir stances.” Many states already have have “stand your ground” laws.
4. No Borders to Firearm Movement
This ALEC bill would, [10] if passed, require states to recognize “concealed carry” permits or licenses from other states. This would mean that the state where guns are being carried in would have no recourse to go after people with guns if they have a permit and came from a state that allows “concealed carry” permits.
5. Annulling Local Regulations on Guns
For all its talk of federalism and love of local democracy, ALEC still wants to be able to impose its agenda--even if a locality wants nothing to do with it. One model bill [11]the group wants passed in states is a provision that would “prohibit local jurisdictions from independently enacting restrictions on the possession of firearms.” If a city wanted to restrict guns, they’d be out of luck--this bill would take away their authority to do so.
6. Defending an Unregulated Gun Market
Governments, local officials and law enforcement groups have tried to push for gun manufacturers to adhere to some basic ground rules for the sale of weapons. One way to do this is by pushing for a “Code of Conduct” that gun manufacturers adopt. One example of what a “code” like this would do is getting a pledge from firearms makers to not promote weapons for extremely dangerous uses, like killing police officers with special bullets.
ALEC wants none of that [12]. A blueprint for legislation calls such codes “politically-driven.”
7. Guns for Emergencies
This ALEC-backed legislation [13] would prohibit states from confiscating firearms in the wake of a declared “state of emergency.” The group claims such a law would run afoul of the Second Amendment. It also calls for public employees who confiscate firearms to be found “guilty of the crime of larceny of a firearm or ammunition,” if such a law were on the books.
8. Semi-Automatics for Everyone
The killer at Sandy Hook Elementary School used a semi-automatic rifle to carry out his massacre. ALEC wants to restrict regulations that would curb the use and sale of semi-automatic rifles.
A resolution [14] pushed by the group decries laws and regulations concerning semi-automatic rifles. The “American Legislative Exchange Council recommends the rejection of current proposals at the local, state, and federal levels that arbitrarily restrict the possession of the semi-automatic class of firearms by law-abiding American citizens,” ALEC writes.
9. Bolstering the Second Amendment
The Second Amendment is not going anywhere. But ALEC remains worried about attempts to regulate firearms, and passed a resolution decrying gun control while celebrating the amendment. The “American Legislative Exchange Council recommends the rejection of further restrictive firearms laws that only serve to limit law abiding citizens in the exercise of their Cons utionally guaranteed rights while having no effect on the activities of the criminal element in our society,” the resolution reads. [15]
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...ked-right-wing
How many is many? The impression from your initial post is that we should just assume it's largely a free procedure.
If you don't think any states are trying to (and successfully have) restrict abortions and make them harder to get you aren't paying attention.
How Walmart Helped Make Newtown Shooter's AR-15 the Most Popular Assault Weapon in America
In April 2011, Walmart began stocking guns in more and more stores, expanding the sales to 1,750 outlets nationwide. By the end of that year, the FBI received 16.4 million background check requests; the number is 16.8 million this year. Overall Walmart sales figures are back on track after the 2011 slump, and executive vice president Duncan Mac Naughton told shareholders at a meeting in October 2012 that gun sales in particular are a staple of the chain’s strategy to continue boosting its numbers. He said that over the past twenty-six months, gun sales at Walmart stores open for a year or more were up an astonishing 76 percent, while ammunition sales were up 30 percent. Walmart is now the biggest seller of firearms and ammunition in America.
http://www.thenation.com/article/171...eapon-america#
So what. Walmart is the biggest seller of Ritz Crackers in America also.
In America, It’s Easier to Ban Lawn Darts Than Assault Weapons
Yes, apparently there was a lawn dart game called Jarts that got banned after killing two children (one was killed by “an altered lawn dart”, proving that lawn darts just didn’t have the lobbyists guns do). But to be fair, they did injure 3,200 people in eight years.
Oh, wait, MATH:
“Every year, nearly 1,500 children die from guns and many more are seriously injured. The American Academy of Pediatrics believes the best way to prevent gun-related injuries to children is to remove guns from the home.”
http://www.politicususa.com/killing-...iticus+USA+%29
Eh, it's chicken and eggy with this kind of thing. I think assault weapons got really popular after they were banned, then pathological fear of more bans drove the gun sales up further.
People like being afraid for some reason, Wal-Mart just amorally cashed in on it.
For a president who supposedly wants to take guns away, Obama has sure seen a HUGE e in gun sales during his presidency while doing nothing to stop it.
Jeez. Why don't you and chump do your own research? Yes, the Hyde amendment restricted the previous policy of medicaid paying for all abortions if they qualified by income but all 50 states have some exceptions where medicaid covers the cost of abortions. in almost half the states (not Texas, of course) the States have greatly expanded coverage where if they qualify by income their abortions are covered by medicaid.
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