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I expect some big games from Maynor in the future.
patty mills is not a pg ......
http://crunchtimeshots.com/2012/12/1...ough-21-games/The main difference in Mills’ numbers this season are when he is the pick and roll ball handler. His turnover rate in these situations through 21 games is terrible (57.1% of these plays are turnovers) compared with last season where he was much more respectable (21.1%). His pick and roll play has gone from a strength last season, where he used this type of play more than any other, to a clear weakness this season. His pick and roll play has not been as frequent this season though (down to 17.6% of his total offensive possessions from 33.6%) as the Spurs look to capitalise more on his spot up shooting (up to 33.1% from 16.9%), but his turnovers have been his Achilles heal in getting more consistent playing time.
I expect some big games from Maynor in the future.
He's not a traditional pg. That's correct. When Pop plays Patty as the pg, Mills doesn't play like the conventional point guard. He'll quickly race up the court and give it to Manu, who then acts as the play maker for their half court offense. With Manu playing the passer, this allows Mills to focus on scoring, and that's what he does well.
Check timvp's "Player Pair Analysis" thread. When Mills is on the court with Ginobili, the Spurs have a +21.77 point differential per 100 possessions.
timvp: "If Neal isn’t the answer at backup point guard due to not being compatible with Ginobili, that opens the door for Patrick Mills and Nando De Colo. Looking at these numbers, Mills looks like the anti-Neal because he does REALLY well next to Ginobili."
It's going to be Neal's job to lose once (if?) everyone gets healthy. But the best case scenario is that De Colo keeps pushing and it gets to the point where he simply can't be ignored and leapfrogs Neal.
Nando > CoJo > Neal > Mills
Joseph is probably the best option of the four, but I would put Nando ahead of him right now because Joseph needs a little more seasoning. Neal needs to be only playing shooting guard. I've been quite underwhelmed with Patty's play so far and he looks more like an SG.
Nando already seems way more polished than Cojo in my opinion.
cojo scores 30 ..... when will he get his shot at being the back up pg ......
The one advantage of the Spurs injury situation, if there is one, is that Pop need Gary Neal to be a shooting guard. That's fine with me. I don't ever want to see him playing PG again. His atrocious defense, inability to run pick and roll and lazy passes are more than I can stomach. I hope this experiment is all but over.
That said, Mills has gotten a shot and probably will continue to get a look at the position. However as others have already said, he's just not a natural PG.
For now, it looks like Pop is gaining confidence in De Colo and doesn't mind calling his number at a moments notice. In return, the young Frenchman is doing his share to earn the coach's trust. Of course, we"ve all raved about his out-of-this-world passing and while his jumper is shaky, he's has shown some slight signs of improvement. It's clear he looks like the best candidate for the job, for now.
Now that CJ has been reassigned to the Toros, I think the message is clear that the coaching staff doesn't think he's quite ready yet. Based on his improvment fron Year 1 to Year 2, I'd say it's a good bet that he'll have a chance to challenge De Colo and Mills as the long-term in bent.
Ultimately I wouldn't mind a three guards rotation of TP-Manu-De Colo for the playoffs with Neal being the optional 4th man. TP will play 37 minutes, Manu and De Colo can play 25 both leaving 10 minutes for Neal to kickstart an offensive slump... Green can be traded for a big.
Getting closer to the trade deadline now, should Pop just decide on a back up PG now and develop his role for the playoffs or trade for one?
I think this is where Pop pulls the championship move from 2007 (?)...sits the team down and says, look, this is going to be the team through the end of the year with no changes.
I always wanted Nando to get the job because:
1. Good ball handling
2. Size adds dimension to back up point guard spot, can use it to back down defender.
3. Can help in rebounding department with his height, especially on those 50/50 plays that make a big difference in a playoff game. He has already shown signs of going after contested rebounds.
4. Hindsight but he is getting more and more accustomed to reading passing lanes for steals.
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Adjusting to the speed of the game is the one aspect he still needs improvement, especially on defense.
Nando. period.
Just give him a little more time to get comfortable with the NBA. He will be the back-up at the start of the playoffs, imo, but may give way to Neal as needed for scoring. By next season, I expect his scoring (and therefore his willingness to do it) to be where they need to be.
He is by far a better ball handler, passer, defender and play creator than either Neal or Mills, and he has a significant size over everybody but Neal.
I still like De Colo's effort and toughness on defense. He's got good size, and uses his strength well. He's also got a high basketball IQ. To me, it seems most of the defensive deficiencies are mental, caused by lack of experience and playing time. Those could be resolved over time.
Mills is fast and tenacious, but this leads to him being out of position more often than not. He's also too undersized against most opposing point guards, and God help us if he gets switched onto another position.
Neal is just...slow. He slow on rotations, he's slow getting around screens, he's slow keeping people in front of him. I'll give Neal credit in the fact that he is good about getting back in transition; unfortunately, he has no idea what to do when he gets there, which usually results in a foul and possible And-1.
Fot anyone who says Patty Mills is not a traditional Pg, Russell Westbrook says hi. And let me shoot down any goofball that thinks this is a comparison between the two. I'm simply comparing the style of play. Patty is a shoot first pg and that's probably something Pop isn't looing for. At the same time, De Colo is not the answer. The Spurs can't go into the playoffs with a backup point guard who isn't a threat to score. Most defenders will sag off him and dare him to shoot the jump shot all day long. And to this point, Nando hasn't shown the ability to hit an open jumpshot, No, Neal will play minimal back up pg, mostly in the second quarter of games and Manu will basically take over the backup pg role in the second half. If De Colo sees the court in the playoffs, it will be in the closing minutes with the Spurs either winning or losing big.
Last edited by Hoops Czar; 02-13-2013 at 05:53 PM.
I agree with your assessment that THIS YEAR Nando is not going to see too much time in playoffs, and for the very reason you stated. Assuming that Manu is able to play, he will be the playmaker for the second squad.
I read this thread as who the backup point will eventually be, and I believe that will be Nando for so many of the reasons given here. I expect that his shooting will improve over the summer much as Splitter's has. It is absolutely true that we need him to shoot well, eventually. But we don't need him to shoot as well as Tony or Neal. We need him, mostly, to run the offensive set.
Nando is the only one that plays like a true point guard. I still think the ideal reserve backcourt is Neal-Manu... but in cases where TP and Manu are on the bench, Nando should be out there.
Nando is tailor made for the playoffs. A role player that is harder to gameplan against.
nando is backup point in the final stretch and playoffs. bottom line. his passing ability is amazing. hes a stud. has good pg instincts, and defensive presence. doesn't need to shoot. defenders can't find his passing lanes. once they start trying to figure them out, that's when he's gonna deliver some devastatingly nasty net burners. maybe even clutch ones. worries be gone. if he's still streaky, that's just a slump. put in neal and light a fire under him.
i would rather see mills playing with decolo than neal. neal is an incredible shooter. bonner but better. but neal is a defensive liability. somebody said it best, he's too slow. neal and bonner need to stay on the bench unless the team is in a shooting slump.
mills and baynes should never be on the court without each other. i don't understand why pop isn't milking that aussie conncection. even if that means playing manu at 3. heck, manu is so injury prone. pop outta be splitting minutes between jackson and manu at 3 anyway. pop loves his neal and bonner 3s too much.
Mills would be my preference but I ain't no basketball expert. For some reason I find Nando slow and annoying
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