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No worries. Obamacare will make everything better. Right?
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012...th-care-costs/
Human-Americans being sucked dry.
No worries. Obamacare will make everything better. Right?
Not at all, the health care industry and Repugs extorted a lot of $Bs out of ACA, but it's a step in the right direction.
That's been happening with the cost of everything since 1971 when we went on a floating currency.
http://www.macrotrends.org/1307/lots...-many-new-jobs
health care costs, esp insurance, have been WAY AHEAD of inflation, 2x, 3x inflation rate, for a long time.
In other news, Fire is ing hot!
Costs will rise even higher with the extra mandated coverages by Obamacare.
Thats because health care has gotton geometrically better and subsequently more expensive. In 1970 if you had a heart attack you were just a dead sum .
That's certainly part. IMHO the real reason though is that we've become a nation of lazy, fat- couch potatoes who prefer to lean on the healthcare system to spare us from the negative consequences of our lifestyle choices as opposed to making different lifestyle choices.
Well, I am generally not for what I am about to say, but if the government and people keep pushing for such mandatory health care, increasing the costs even more, then I want unhealthy food taxed by content.
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Healthcare is going to continue to increase in price to the point that the average Joe isn't going to be able to afford insurance for his family. I'm not suggesting that Obamacare is the answer, but something has to change.
One problem stems from the fact that hospitals have to treat every person that walks in their door, regardless if they have insurance or a job. So the folks that actually pay their bills have to absorb a lot of that cost. And hospitals are finding it harder and harder to get reimbursed for the services they do provide. Because especially in the case of medicare, hospitals are not going to be paid for services rendered, but for the outcomes they achieve. Which may sound good on paper, but it makes it very difficult for doctors and nurses to do their jobs. There is always some new requirement or new buzzword that needs to be do ented, and healthcare workers are so bogged down and focused on paperwork already that they can hardly do what they are paid to do, take care of the sick people. And even though everything is done correctly and adequate education is given to people, some folks simply are not going to follow their diet or medication regimen correctly and are going to get sick again. And when they get readmitted to the hospital, that will on the hospital's dime. And who is going to have to suck that up?
Santa Rosa downtown already shut their doors to adults, because even though they are nonprofit, they couldn't financially keep treating these old people with chronic illnesses and not get paid for it.
"the average Joe isn't going to be able to afford insurance for his family."
already true, and has been for years
median household income is less than $50K (and dropping).
Health insurance for family of 4 is $15K+ and climbing towards $20K+ in 2020.
health care is just one of the 37633453 pretexts the government uses to extract every possible penny from people's pockets tbh. you pay big $ for healthcare every year and when you really need it with some serious sickness, you have to wait in the long waiting queue which's gonna be more like a death row, and the "treatment" will all but worsen your condition and make the inevitable death come sooner
Private Health Insurance's business model is to deny health care when you need it most, and if you're lucky to make it past their profit-seeking death panels, to charge you through the nose for it.
Government can do a much better job of delivering health care at a lower cost. The rest of the civilized world knows this.
There's a bit of everything. As much as health care has gotten geometrically better, technology has become geometrically cheaper, yet you don't really see all the savings from that area moved to customers.
We were just talking about this with a doctor friend of ours... The power supply for the PC running his Bone Densitometry machine died, and GE wanted $500 for the part + a couple hundred extra for sending a tech to change it. It's a $30 part you can buy off amazon, and it takes five screws and 20 mins (if that) to replace it. Sure, anecdotal, but we people that work in tech and medical see this kind of stuff all the time.
Last edited by ElNono; 12-16-2012 at 02:03 AM. Reason: fixed typo
there may be a million things you can think of that are good or right with america but obamacare is definitely not one of them imho. when the government takes control of something like healthcare, it'd be impossible for it to have any sort of efficiency when you don't have no one to report to.
do public workers pay for their own healthcare or taxpayers foot the bill?
"health care is just one of the 37633453 pretexts the government uses to extract every possible penny from people's pockets tbh"
tbh?how about "to be rightwing ideological, allways-wrong dumb
govt (fed and local) actually delivers very little health care, and that is mostly delivered free (county, university, Veterans Admin) and not-for-profit.
"Private Health Insurance's business model is to deny health care when you need it most". no, it's the same as any for-profit business, deliver the least product, the tiest possible product for the highest possible price.
its also called getting poorer.
I wonder what is increasing faster. Food prices, property prices, or health care. I think they probably increase at about the same rate, but people see other goods actually getting cheaper compared to their wages, so they are wages aren't stagnating.
Don't you people get it...
It's our currency that simply doesn't buy what it used to. Since probably the 80's, we have been increasing more and more, the number of imported good. How much do you think these goods would cost here in the states, if made here in the states. made by corporations that had to pay higher taxes and subject to our regulations?
So you're saying wages should be adjusted to match the inflation rate?
Not at all.
What is the point of you suggesting that idea? I am only saying that the real items of value have increased in cost also. Why are you people focusing only on health care as it is alone in inflation?
You know, of all people, I figured you would just come up with this solution:
Why not force people that are on government health care systems to partake in mandatory fitness sessions? Obviously if someone has cancer or something similar, force them to quit smoking and give them advice from a nutrionist. If a person is morbidly obese, they need to show progress in losing weight or they will have the amount of coverage drop. etc etc. Seems fair to me.
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