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    http://www.ijreview.com/2012/12/2602...ol-statistics/


    “States that allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed handguns enjoy a 60 percent decrease in multiple-victim public shootings and a 78 percent decrease in victims per attack.”
    “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.” – John Lott, Jr. Co-author with Bill Landes of “More Guns, Less Crime.”






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    Funny, almost every state in the union has shall issue, but somehow libs think they are going to ban guns.

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    I don't know when people started expecting people to carry guns in elementary schools.

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    I don't know when people started expecting people to carry guns in elementary schools.
    I say let the teachers carry if they want.

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    I say let the teachers carry if they want.
    When did you start thinking it would be a good idea to do so in an elementary school?

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    I don't see what the big deal with letting teachers with permits carry. If their gun is legally registered and they're a normal citizen, they're not going to shoot up a school. Besides, it's not like someone couldn't do it anyway if it was illegal. They're going to kill someone, you really think they care about the legality of guns?

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    I say let the teachers carry if they want.


    I like it. Now we just need to figure out a way to make sure that the lunatics only try to shoot up classrooms where the teachers have elected to arm themselves.

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    It does seem somewhat perverse that in a country admittedly flush with guns, we put our most vulnerable in situations where a single gun is unopposed.

    If we are going to have a society in which guns are prevalent; it seems logical that the law-abiding be allowed to carry them pretty much everywhere. The law-breakers do, after all.

    The other options is to rid the country of guns. Either way, a more balanced field will result.

    The WORST scenario is the one that exists today: Want to shoot up a school? Go ahead, the only one stopping you, is yourself.

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    America is a sick society, ed, and un able, and its all for corporate profits.

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    liberals think a more enhanced control of guns is gonna make an impact on the real thugs, disuading them from possessing guns illegally because it's against the law when they don't scruple to shoot people's heads off using their guns. so shooting someone dead with a gun is less of a crime than possessing a gun illegally?

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    Teachers should not be carrying firearms. They would be required to lock them up because children are present.

    Any gun free zones, especially schools, needs security. Teachers should not be expected to be police officers.

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    So a decrepit old 60 year old woman with bad eyesight should pack heat? She'll turn into John Rambo at the first sight of danger?

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    Teachers should not be carrying firearms. They would be required to lock them up because children are present.

    Any gun free zones, especially schools, needs security. Teachers should not be expected to be police officers.
    x2. No way I want my kid at a school where the teachers are carrying.

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    So a decrepit old 60 year old woman with bad eyesight should pack heat? She'll turn into John Rambo at the first sight of danger?
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    x2. No way I want my kid at a school where the teachers are carrying.
    x3

    If you want guns at school to protect the children then they need to be in the hands of people who's primary job description is to know how to use them.

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    So a decrepit old 60 year old woman with bad eyesight should pack heat? She'll turn into John Rambo at the first sight of danger?
    Problem solved. Kids, meet your new kindergarden teacher, Mr. Norris!



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    Teachers should not be carrying firearms. They would be required to lock them up because children are present.

    Any gun free zones, especially schools, needs security. Teachers should not be expected to be police officers.
    teachers shouldn't be carrying guns but who else is gonna take the responsibility of protecting these kids? there're already two students being arrested by cops after sandy hook tragedy just because they carried guns only to gain some sense of safety in their young minds. there were safety guards at the gate in sandy hook but they turned a blind eye to the strange intruder, allowing the gunner to drive the car straight into the school yard unchecked. and you count on the cops to protect the unarmed innocent people? yes they will arrive but not before the gunner kills 26 innocent people and himself tbh

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    teachers shouldn't be carrying guns but who else is gonna take the responsibility of protecting these kids? there're already two students being arrested by cops after sandy hook tragedy just because they carried guns only to gain some sense of safety in their young minds. there were safety guards at the gate in sandy hook but they turned a blind eye to the strange intruder, allowing the gunner to drive the car straight into the school yard unchecked. and you count on the cops to protect the unarmed innocent people? yes they will arrive but not before the gunner kills 26 innocent people and himself tbh
    So is this a reluctant "yes" to arming teachers?

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    teachers shouldn't be carrying guns but who else is gonna take the responsibility of protecting these kids? there're already two students being arrested by cops after sandy hook tragedy just because they carried guns only to gain some sense of safety in their young minds. there were safety guards at the gate in sandy hook but they turned a blind eye to the strange intruder, allowing the gunner to drive the car straight into the school yard unchecked. and you count on the cops to protect the unarmed innocent people? yes they will arrive but not before the gunner kills 26 innocent people and himself tbh
    Sorry, a "safety guard" isn't the same as having armed security.

    Classroom doors should be locked, requiring the person inside to open the door. Admin can have override for that feature (key cards).

    You cannot just walk into the company that makes video games but you can walk into a school with loaded weapons.

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    I agree with DMC here. The solution is greater school security. Not arming teachers, which is totally ridiculous for so many reasons. How do we know the teachers would even be OK with having the responsibility of carrying a gun?

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    Sorry, a "safety guard" isn't the same as having armed security.

    Classroom doors should be locked, requiring the person inside to open the door. Admin can have override for that feature (key cards).

    You cannot just walk into the company that makes video games but you can walk into a school with loaded weapons.
    I'd like to also see that the entry doors to the school are something other than glass with a push bar behind them. Not sure if they are already doing this at some places but at my daughters school, locking the outside door wouldn't be much deterrent to someone with a gun. They could just shoot the glass and let themselves in.

    But definitely locking all classroom doors would be a start.

    I guess the next question would be if anything is done about outside windows.

    Too bad things have gotten to this point but it is what it is.

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    I agree with DMC here. The solution is greater school security. Not arming teachers, which is totally ridiculous for so many reasons. How do we know the teachers would even be OK with having the responsibility of carrying a gun?
    not to mention hoping that these teachers don't leave their purse laying around or lose their gun somewhere.

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    not to mention hoping that these teachers don't leave their purse laying around or lose their gun somewhere.
    Yeah that too.

    And regardless of how much teachers are drilled about gun safety, some of the dumbest, most ditsy people I've ever met were teachers. It would only be a matter of time before schools were on lock down 3 times a week because some dumbass teacher thinks her gun is missing after forgetting where she put it.

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    "most ditsy people I've ever met were teachers"

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    Yeah that too.

    And regardless of how much teachers are drilled about gun safety, some of the dumbest, most ditsy people I've ever met were teachers. It would only be a matter of time before schools were on lock down 3 times a week because some dumbass teacher thinks her gun is missing after forgetting where she put it.
    no doubt. when I was in my early 20's, I had some friends that were teachers. we'd be drinking until 3 or 4 in the morning with them having to get up and teach the next day. there's no way they were even sober at times. one of them was so out of it that when she got to school, she realized that she had put hand soap all over her body instead of lotion.

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