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    I don't know what the answer is in terms of a definite #. I'll admit I haven't done any deep research into the matter but an administrator's salary that's 10x more than a teacher seems bloated.
    Our District Superintendent makes $125,000. Top teachers are at $103,000

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    Our District Superintendent makes $125,000. Top teachers are at $103,000
    Where do you live? That's some choice pay for teachers.

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    Our District Superintendent makes $125,000. Top teachers are at $103,000
    That's actually a lot of responsibility for a $125k. Just think, I could make 3x that and still not fall into the tax bracket to be affected by the tax deal speaker Boehner walked away from earlier this week

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    That's actually a lot of responsibility for a $125k. Just think, I could make 3x that and still not fall into the tax bracket to be affected by the tax deal speaker Boehner walked away from earlier this week
    Here's Tarrant County...

    http://www.texastribune.org/library/...cbResetParam=1

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    Meh. Those numbers aren't eye-popping. Again, they are ultimately responsible for a lot of students. The average pay of a superintendent wouldn't pay for an armed guard at more than one school.

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    How to win any gun control debate:

    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/publi...nFacts_BFA.pdf

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    Why not just give all teachers stun guns and pepper spray. They have those stun guns that shoot the things like on 'The Hangover'. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a start.

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    Fact: Only 1% of police officers murdered were killed using “assault weapons.” They were twice as likely to be killed with their own handgun.

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    Meh. Those numbers aren't eye-popping. Again, they are ultimately responsible for a lot of students. The average pay of a superintendent wouldn't pay for an armed guard at more than one school.
    this was in response to someone mentioning that where they lived, the superintendent to teacher salary wasn't too disproportionate. which isn't the case in other areas.
    my initial post was to look at all administration salaries, not just the superintendent. my guess is that there is a lot of waste and bloat at the administrative level.

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    Over the last 20 years, approximately 260,000 Americans have been murdered by firearms. The firearm homicide rate in the United States is 3.7 for every 100,000 people.


    The average firearm homicide rate for Australia, Canada, England, France, Germany, Italy, Ireland, Japan, New Zealand and Spain is .22 per 100,000 people.

    Thus, the firearm homicide rate in the United States is approximately 17 times higher than in our peer nations.

    If the United States had had the same gun-related homicide rate as these other nations over the past twenty years, almost a quarter of a million Americans who were murdered by guns since 1992 might well have been spared that fate.

    Economists estimate that the average life is "worth" appoximately $7 million. This means that America's firearm policy over the past twenty years has cost the nation approximately $1.75 trillion in lost lives. But who's counting?

    In 2010, the NRA and its affiliates spent approximately $275 million to prevent the regulation of firearms. The NRA's opponents -- organizations like the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence and Mayors Against Illegal Guns -- spent a combined total of less than $8 million in support of the regulation of firearms.


    No wonder public opinion has shifted and no wonder politicians of all stripes are terrified to do the right thing.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffr...=Daily%20Brief

    $275M in one year to block firearm regulations? More proof that you're all suckered by the guns-and-ammo industry into bleating sheeple-lessly about 2nd Amendment and self-defense.

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    Over the last 20 years, approximately 260,000 Americans have been murdered by firearms. The firearm homicide rate in the United States is 3.7 for every 100,000 people.


    The average firearm homicide rate for Australia, Canada, England, France, Germany, Italy, Ireland, Japan, New Zealand and Spain is .22 per 100,000 people.

    Thus, the firearm homicide rate in the United States is approximately 17 times higher than in our peer nations.

    If the United States had had the same gun-related homicide rate as these other nations over the past twenty years, almost a quarter of a million Americans who were murdered by guns since 1992 might well have been spared that fate.

    Economists estimate that the average life is "worth" appoximately $7 million. This means that America's firearm policy over the past twenty years has cost the nation approximately $1.75 trillion in lost lives. But who's counting?

    In 2010, the NRA and its affiliates spent approximately $275 million to prevent the regulation of firearms. The NRA's opponents -- organizations like the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence and Mayors Against Illegal Guns -- spent a combined total of less than $8 million in support of the regulation of firearms.


    No wonder public opinion has shifted and no wonder politicians of all stripes are terrified to do the right thing.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffr...=Daily%20Brief

    $275M in one year to block firearm regulations? More proof that you're all suckered by the guns-and-ammo industry into bleating sheeple-lessly about 2nd Amendment and self-defense.
    what's the rate of violent crimes avoided in the U.S.?

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    what's the rate of violent crimes avoided in the U.S.?
    not sure of the rate but guns are said to be used 2,000,000 times a year for self defense.

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    "2,000,000 times a year for self defense"

    link?

    and not link from the NRA or gun industry.

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    because thinkprogress and alternet are so much more credible.

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    "2,000,000 times a year for self defense"

    link?

    and not link from the NRA or gun industry.
    dont have one. Got it from the article I posted that you probably haven't bothered to read.

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    because thinkprogress and alternet are so much more credible.
    of course they are more credible. it's so easy being credible attacking the sociopathy and lies of the the Repugs and VRWC.
    Last edited by boutons_deux; 12-20-2012 at 05:17 PM.

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    not sure of the rate but guns are said to be used 2,000,000 times a year for self defense.
    that's a start but the number of crimes that weren't even attempted has to be several multiples of that.

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    because thinkprogress and alternet are so much more credible.
    No, but the requirement for the link was not the uber leftist that boutox comes up with.

    I read the blog and they provide no link either.

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    Lies
    How about the shootings in Texas at the Luby' s in Killean and at UT at Austin( the Tower) in the 1960s.

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    No, but the requirement for the link was not the uber leftist that boutox comes up with.

    I read the blog and they provide no link either.
    The 2m number seems dubious at best. May have come from this criminologist:

    Criminologist Gary Kleck estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves each year. Out of that number, 400,000 believe that but for their firearms, they would have been dead.


    Professor Emeritus James Q. Wilson, the UCLA public policy expert, says: "We know from Census Bureau surveys that something beyond 100,000 uses of guns for self-defense occur every year. We know from smaller surveys of a commercial nature that the number may be as high as 2 1/2 or 3 million. We don't know what the right number is, but whatever the right number is, it's not a trivial number."

    http://m.ocregister.com/articles/gun...-guns-ice.html

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    How about the shootings in Texas at the Luby' s in Killean and at UT at Austin( the Tower) in the 1960s.
    what was the carry status back then?

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    No, but the requirement for the link was not the uber leftist that boutox comes up with.

    I read the blog and they provide no link either.
    meh...I wouldn't give a bucket of warm spit for either source....which was kinda my point.

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    Colorado, Oregon and Wisconsin allow guns on college campuses. Mississippi likewise allows guns on college campuses, as well as in secondary schools, polling places, churches, passenger terminals at airports, and bars.

    Tennessee, Arizona, Georgia, Virginia and Ohio also allow guns in bars. You can shoot a gun in Missouri when you're drunk, and as long as it's considered to be in "self-defense," you're within your rights. In Vermont, you can sell a pistol to a 16-year old kid. Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, South Dakota, Utah, Arizona, Tennessee and Alaska have all passed laws saying that guns made in-state are not subject to federal regulations. The Florida "Stand Your
    Ground" law has gotten a lot of attention after the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, but 24 other states besides Florida have enacted similar laws.


    A violent felon in Minnesota can regain their gun ownership rights if they successfully pe ion the court about having "good cause."

    In Ohio, a violent felon can retain their gun rights if they prove to a court that they have led a "law-abiding life."

    You can get your guns back in Georgia and Nebraska even if you've committed manslaughter and armed robbery, and in Montana, your guns will be returned to you if you didn't use a gun when you committed your crime.

    That seems to fly in the face of the old saw that says, "If you make guns criminal, only criminals will have guns."


    Then again, all the worst bloodbaths of the last several years - including this most recent massacre in Newtown - were perpetrated by people who were not outlaws...until they pulled the trigger and laid their victims low. That 11-year old boy in Utah was not an outlaw until his parents put that pistol in his hands and sent him to school. He didn't make it to the end of recess.


    Thomas Lane. One L. Goh. Jake England. Alvin Watts. Ian Stawicki. James Holmes. Wade Michael Page. Andrew Engeldinger. Jacob Tyler Roberts. Adam Lanza. These are America's most well-known mass killers from the year 2012 alone. Seventy-two lives were snuffed out by their actions. Every single one of them used a gun. None of them were outlaws...until.


    As of Wednesday afternoon, 180 more people have been killed by guns since the Newtown massacre.

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13...siness-is-good



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