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so does that "no tax" pledge count as being violated when this hits the fan
Boehner couldn't get the votes. So where exactly do Republicans go from here? You know, other than hoping for economic failure until 2014.
so does that "no tax" pledge count as being violated when this hits the fan
No, because in the ed up world of Congress, they didn't "vote" for that.
What do you think the odds are of going over the fiscal cliff? I think Obama will eventually get what he wants in taxes when the Republicans are scared to cut the increases in military spending. No way they could get away with that in tying it to middle class tax cuts in January should they fail to avoid the cliff.
If you mean HR 6684, it passed! Now it's up to the senate and Obama if we go over that cliff.
No, I meant Plan B, the Plan B that Boehner has been referring to, the Plan B that Boehner proposed instead of the President's plan, the Plan B which he couldn't get enough votes for.
Pretty good now. The House is recessing until after the holidays. I don't doubt Obama's ability to negotiate with himself, but hopefully he's smart enough to just shut up for 2 weeks.
That worthless piece of doesn't have a chance
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The way the media mixes everything up, need the HR number. HR 6684 passed at 6:36 eastern time. It is now in the hands of the senate.
Then it's the democrats driving us over the cliff.
That worthless piece of doesn't have a chance
Uhmmm how about the bill that would prevent the automatic tax hikes? Or, you know, you could just open up any political website.
"We didn't want to go over the cliff, so we passed this ty legislation with nothing that Democrats want, even though they have a majority in the Senate. So if they don't pass this ty bill, it's the Democrat's fault!"
Pretty sure America won't buy that.
LOL Capt Republican thinking the bill shifting all cuts away from our national offense has anything to do with tax rates.
It's two separate bills man. The one head is talking about is moving all the spending cuts from our military to everything domestic. ing Cantor loves jerking off all over himself.
"We didn't want to go over the cliff, so we passed this ty legislation with nothing that Democrats want, even though they have a majority in the Senate. So if they don't pass this ty bill, it's the Democrat's fault!"
Pretty sure America won't buy that.
Say what you will, but since team Obama will not specific what cuts they will accept, it's an impossible task for the republicans to create a compromise bill. The democrats are going to vote down anything that doesn't give them 100% of what they want, so them.
"We didn't want to go over the cliff, so we passed this ty legislation with nothing that Democrats want, even though they have a majority in the Senate. So if they don't pass this ty bill, it's the Democrat's fault!"
Pretty sure America won't buy that.
Oh, I know. But as soon as 6684 barely passed, I think Boehner knew he was screwed.
Yes, they are separate bills. The national defense bill (moving the money) also passed 315 to 107.
The Republicans haven't proposed their own specific cuts either (realistic ones at least). And the plan Obama put on the table involved cuts to Social Security/Medicare, as well as the real possibility of raising the eligibility age.
In fact, it's Republicans that are the ones demanding 100% of what they want. It's why Plan B couldn't get the votes.
SS is a separate pool on money, and not a budget cut that comes from tax revenues. Decreasing SS spending does not decrease the deficit or debt. A very large part of our deficit and debt is money owed to the SS account. The deal was suppose to be an increase in revenue with a decrease of spending, outside of SS/medicare. Or at least that's how I interpret things.
That's because they repeatedly have asked what Obama will accept for cuts, and they keep getting a middle finger shoved in their faces.
They can't possibly think the deal gets any better after they go over the cliff. If that happens Obama and the Dems will be able to push for a straight up and down vote on middle class tax cuts without any mention of the estate tax or military spending. LOL if Grover and the teabaggers end up costing them the 2014 house too just like they blew the 2012 presidency and 2010 senate.
Do you thing cutting SS is a budget cut that will affect the deficit?
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