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    And why are they making more money and getting more exposure? Because of the system? Or because of the number of high profile schools? Let's say that the SEC only had Alabama and Auburn, and take away Georgia, Florida, and LSU. How successful is the SEC and their system now?

    The system only works because they have so many high end football programs. If they didn't, things would be much different, and most likely Alabama and Auburn would be wanting a Big-12 type system. They are only cool with it now, because it doesn't hurt them with the other big name schools being there and keeping the cash flow high. But without those schools helping keep the total conference income higher, they end up giving away a lot of money for absolutely nothing, and will be making considerably less than if they just kept their own rightfully earned money. The extra money they share with the other schools isn't going to make them any better of football programs. At this point, football programs are pretty much entirely based on their history. It's next to impossible for any low-profile football teams to make a leap into annually being one of the big dogs. Pretty much, what the programs are now, are what they will be for the rest of their existence. MAYBE one or two programs across the nation will get lucky and somehow make the leap into being a consistently elite program, and that's a huge maybe.

    The SEC and their system works for one reason and one reason only. Which makes it even more stupid when everyone whines "oh look how greedy Texas is!!! " If any other top school was in the same situation (basically carrying a conference with one other high profile football program), they would be wanting the exact same thing. No conference relies on one school as much as the Big-12 relies on Texas. If you take them out of the conference, its completely done. No other program can say that. And I'm not saying that is a good thing, just that it's the truth. I would prefer there being more high profile teams in the Big-12, but that's not going to happen unless they decide to create one of those "superconferences" there has been talk about in the past.
    Wait so are you talking crap about the SEC for having a ton of quality teams? And teams based on history? The SEC has how many les in a row currently? The b12 relies heavily on Texas because they fought their way to attain that status.

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    you're talking out of your ass.
    Which part, specifically?

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    Wait so are you talking crap about the SEC for having a ton of quality teams? And teams based on history? The SEC has how many les in a row currently? The b12 relies heavily on Texas because they fought their way to attain that status.
    Actually I was not talking crap about the SEC at all.

    lol cheering for LSU

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    Which part, specifically?
    We will make a lot more.

    All of the schools that have left the b12 will make more money and get more exposure. We also are all in stable conferences.

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    How much money, annually, will Tech receive from the B12? Conversely, after the SEC network amounts are released in the upcoming months, what do you believe each SEC school will receive annually?

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    How much money, annually, will Tech receive from the B12? Conversely, after the SEC network amounts are released in the upcoming months, what do you believe each SEC school will receive annually?
    I'm not sure, but it's your ass that's talking. You tell me.

    I know Nebraska is making a lot more money, but please show your Colorado payout numbers vs Tech's

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    How much money, annually, will Tech receive from the B12?
    From the TV contract? About $20 million a year. Apparently about $1 million less than the PAC.
    Conversely, after the SEC network amounts are released in the upcoming months, what do you believe each SEC school will receive annually?
    Probably more.

    The Tech number is impressive considering there isn't a network nor is there a conference championship. The Big XII-IV+II can take their time and add only teams that really add value from here on out. Considering quite a few of its teams are in kind of laughable markets, it's a rather amazing TV deal tbh.

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    Colorado left for different reasons compared to Nebraska and A&M. Colorado wanted stability. That's exactly what they are getting with the Pac. They did not want to worry about getting stuck out in the middle of nowhere without a home.

    The fact that the big12 was close to imploding and they had an offer from the Pac, which is a fairly run league with revenue sharing made it an easy decision for them. Unline the big12 who obviously has played favorites for years now and will continue to do whatever Texas wants. And yes, A&M took part in this for a long time as well (allowing them to play favorites that is).

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    Colorado left for different reasons compared to Nebraska and A&M. Colorado wanted stability. That's exactly what they are getting with the Pac. They did not want to worry about getting stuck out in the middle of nowhere without a home.

    The fact that the big12 was close to imploding and they had an offer from the Pac, which is a fairly run league with revenue sharing made it an easy decision for them. Unline the big12 who obviously has played favorites for years now and will continue to do whatever Texas wants. And yes, A&M took part in this for a long time as well (allowing them to play favorites that is).
    So in other words, basically everything boils down to how many elite programs your conference has, not revenue sharing.

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    I'm not sure, but it's your ass that's talking. You tell me.

    I know Nebraska is making a lot more money, but please show your Colorado payout numbers vs Tech's
    You don't know how much revenue your school brings in from the B12?

    So in other words, basically everything boils down to how many elite programs your conference has, not revenue sharing.
    It's about stability, too. A team's willingness and want to be a part of their conference. As I said - conference stability is having no buyout clause. SEC has none. BE has/had a $50mm buyout. Look how that worked out.

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    You don't know how much revenue your school brings in from the B12?
    That's irrelevant.

    Tell me how much a lot is when you say ”all the schools that left will make a lot more”

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    That's irrelevant.
    It's irrelevant when it's one of the factors that determines how much "a lot more" is?

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    It's about stability, too. A team's willingness and want to be a part of their conference. As I said - conference stability is having no buyout clause. SEC has none. BE has/had a $50mm buyout. Look how that worked out.
    What makes a conference more stable? More elite programs. Why was there any sense of worry of instability for the Big-12? Because Texas had thoughts of leaving. If they left, the Big-12 is dead. However if Alabama left the SEC, they would still be fine.

    Everything boils down to the programs, whether its how much money is made/shared, how stable the program is, the level of compe ion, etc... the elite programs run the conferences. The Big-12 simply has less elite programs, so everyone wants to blame everything bad on Texas, but if the SEC was completely reliant on Alabama, because they had a lack of elite programs, they would look every bit as bad and unstable as the Big-12 looked (probably worse), regardless of revenue sharing or the other things that SEC nuthuggers want to say make the SEC "stable".

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    The SEC is the best conference in the country because the most freakish athletes come out of Louisiana, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, etc. and it's pretty much that simple. To try to chalk SEC success up to great conference management or some other jerkoff reason is asinine. The SEC is the best conference because DeAndre niggerbeast grew up 50 miles from LSU's campus and has the genes that survived generations of slave labor.

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    It's irrelevant when it's one of the factors that determines how much "a lot more" is?
    So you don't know how much my school makes.

    Ass. Talking.

    ...and CDlolutsa even threw you a bone.

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    The SEC is the best conference in the country because the most freakish athletes come out of Louisiana, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, etc. and it's pretty much that simple. To try to chalk SEC success up to great conference management or some other jerkoff reason is asinine.
    This.

    They have the highest number of elite football programs (in large part to having the best area for football recruiting in the nation), therefore they are the #1 conference.

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    pretty sure this thread is exclusively about big xii vs pac 12

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    The Tech number is impressive considering there isn't a network nor is there a conference championship. The Big XII-IV+II can take their time and add only teams that really add value from here on out. Considering quite a few of its teams are in kind of laughable markets, it's a rather amazing TV deal tbh.
    Yeah, it is. Big XII can pretty much thank the University of Texas for the deal. Beebe said it himself -- that the conference is viable as long as Texas is there.

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    Yeah, it is. Big XII can pretty much thank the University of Texas for the deal. Beebe said it himself -- that the conference is viable as long as Texas is there.
    And to a slightly lesser extent, Oklahoma.

    Everyone else is expendable

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    And to a slightly lesser extent, Oklahoma.

    Everyone else is expendable
    Did aggsy fan notice that Cox cable will now carry the LHN? They are the first, with the package deal that ABC/ESPN is offering you will see all the major players pick it up including the SEC channel so thanks to the SEC everyone will get the LHN. So next year when Direct TV begins to carry the LHN I will call them up and claim to be an upset aggsy fan and threaten to cancel so I get more free stuff.

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    lol nobody gives a about the LHN and who offers it.

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    If Dish adds it they'd better bundle it with the sports package they already offer. I'm not paying any extra to get it. Pretty sure that's what they would do though.

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    I wouldn't want to pay more with DirecTV either.

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    Once AT&T U-verse finds its way into my area, I'll be switching to get LHN. I had it before I moved, now I don't.

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    Baylor tapped that UCLA ass.

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