Plan B Fails

[Wild Cobra]

What do you think elected Bohner in the leadership position he has on the House? Are you saying Bohner is going rogue when he negotiates with the White House?

Maybe you're just stupid... lol you calling anybody authoritarian...

It's just every time I turn around, you think one person should control another. We elect our politicians to do what we want. not what one wants.

[ElNono]

It's just every time I turn around, you think one person should control another. We elect our politicians to do what we want. not what one wants.

So why do you think they themselves elect leadership positions within the party?
BTW, it isn't me who came up with this whole 'party alignment', thingie... Politics have been conducted like that for only a few *centuries*...

lol every time I turn around
lol shooting s at the border

[Wild Cobra]

lol shooting s at the border

LOL...

Losing your PC these days?

[ChumpDumper]

Yes. Reduce it.

Have you been around people who are eligible for food stamps?

Have you? Tell us about it.

[Th'Pusher]

Yes. Reduce it.

Have you been around people who are eligible for food stamps? They could make wiser buying choices, and still eat well.

That $650/month is more than $21/day. There is something wrong if you can't feed a family of 4 on $15/day, and if someone has $2k net, should the government even be paying close to that? What are they doing? Buying steaks and all premade food that you pop in the microwave?

As for going into the economy...

subsidies!

So $5 a meal to feed a family of 4? How much will your proposal reduce SNAP costs annually?

[Wild Cobra]

So $5 a meal to feed a family of 4? How much will your proposal reduce SNAP costs annually?

Are you suggesting that with a $2k monthly after tax take home pay, the family cannot furnish some or all of the food themselves?

Why do you want us other tax payers to pay for it?

[Th'Pusher]

Are you suggesting that with a $2k monthly after tax take home pay, the family cannot furnish some or all of the food themselves?

Why do you want us other tax payers to pay for it?

Can you tell me who negotiated the current eligibility requirements for food stamps?

I'd obviously prefer SNAP recipients to earn a living wage. Unfortunately, that is not always possible.

[Wild Cobra]

Can you tell me who negotiated the current eligibility requirements for food stamps?

I'd obviously prefer SNAP recipients to earn a living wage. Unfortunately, that is not always possible.

I don't know, and I don't care. It is excessive and wrong. We need to move away from such easy and generous handouts, and promote the idea of self sufficiency.

[ElNono]

I don't know, and I don't care. It is excessive and wrong. We need to move away from such easy and generous handouts, and promote the idea of self sufficiency.

Under the same criteria, you're then ok with ending big oil and farm subsidies, correct?

[Th'Pusher]

I don't know, and I don't care. It is excessive and wrong. We need to move away from such easy and generous handouts, and promote the idea of self sufficiency.

I don't think it's excessive. The annual cost of the program seems excessive because more people qualify as a result of the ressesion. I'd rather focus on policy that allows more people to earn a living wage so that they don't qualify for the program.

[Wild Cobra]

Under the same criteria, you're then ok with ending big oil and farm subsidies, correct?

Subsidies, yes. I think we disagree on that term though.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't think it's excessive. The annual cost of the program seems excessive because more people qualify as a result of the ressesion.

I'm sorry, but it's so much cheaper to buy flour and sugar, and other ingredients, and cook from scratch. It is very affordable.

The money people get for food stamp like programs is excessive. No doubt in my mind.

I'd rather focus on policy that allows more people to earn a living wage so that they don't qualify for the program.

Good.

Maybe you would agree that taxing job providers make them less compe ive to overseas outsourcing?

[Th'Pusher]

Good.

Maybe you would agree that taxing job providers make them less compe ive to overseas outsourcing?

I'd be in favor of eliminating loopholes, reducing the corporate tax rate in an effort to level the playing field although when a living wage in a 3rd world country is less than a dollar a day, reducing corporate taxes to zero is still not going eliminate outsourcing. We just have to accept that some jobs are never returning. We need policy that invests ina nd encourages innovation so that new, higher paying jobs are created.

Individual income tax rates and cap gains are another story.

[Wild Cobra]

I'd be in favor of eliminating loopholes, reducing the corporate tax rate in an effort to level the playing field although when a living wage in a 3rd world country is less than a dollar a day, reducing corporate taxes to zero is still not going eliminate outsourcing.

Wages are rarely more than 20% of a products pricing. They are usually much less than that. I will suggest you consider how the difference in wages vs. the shipping cost of a product from overseas compares. past that, we have government imposed regulations and taxes, making our workforce less compe ive than other places in the world. One huge new one, which I predict will destroy us within three decades, is "Obamacare."

We just have to accept that some jobs are never returning.

I accept that is the truth, as long as we keep whoring our votes out to politicians that promise us things. I do not accept that we have to keep electing these same types of politicians.

We need policy that invests ina nd encourages innovation so that new, higher paying jobs are created.

It doesn't matter as long as the products from these innovations will be manufactured in Malaysia, China, japan, Columbia, etc.

Individual income tax rates and cap gains are another story.

I know this sounds harsh, but I say all income earners need to have "skin in the game" by paying at least a small tax, or that we need to change our elections so that only tax payers can vote for politicians.

[ChumpDumper]

Wages are rarely more than 20% of a products pricing.

So labor cost can make a huge difference in a company's bottom line.

Thanks.

[Wild Cobra]

So labor cost can make a huge difference in a company's bottom line.

Thanks.

Wow...

I see you aren't only a master-baiter, but you are a master cherry picker as well.

I have a friend who own a Cherry Orchard in The Dalles, if you need a job.

[ElNono]

Subsidies, yes. I think we disagree on that term though.

What term?

[Wild Cobra]

What term?

Of what defines a subsidy.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow...

I see you aren't only a master-baiter, but you are a master cherry picker as well.

I have a friend who own a Cherry Orchard in The Dalles, if you need a job.

Considering the margins at which companies work, it makes sense.

Thanks for providing your statistics, bull though they probably are.

[ElNono]

I will suggest you consider how the difference in wages vs. the shipping cost of a product from overseas compares.

So how does it compares, in your opinion?

I'm actually pretty sure that for any significant volume, shipping is way cheaper.

[ElNono]

Of what defines a subsidy.

Dictionary not good enough?

a grant by a government to a private person or company to assist an enterprise deemed advantageous to the public

[ChumpDumper]

Expect a page or two arguing about whether tax breaks are subsidies.

[Wild Cobra]

So how does it compares, in your opinion?

I'm actually pretty sure that for any significant volume, shipping is way cheaper.

It depends on the price density. Quan ies of cell phones for example will always be cheaper to import. You can't bring US taxes down enough for something that small and costly. Still, the cons ution provided an insightful tool that is being eliminated more and more as the years go by. It's called a "tariff."

[Wild Cobra]

Dictionary not good enough?

a grant by a government to a private person or company to assist an enterprise deemed advantageous to the public

Even dictionaries today, change by popular belief and usage.

The last definition of "subsidy" I looked up under the definitions used by the government, was that a subsidy was money paid out. I seem to recall you calling a tax break a subsidy. Paying less taxes and the government receiving less revenue, is not the same as the government paying out!

[Wild Cobra]

Expect a page or two arguing about whether tax breaks are subsidies.

No need.

A tax break is not a subsidy. A tax credit is.