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lol agreed.
I never said Neal>Green. I wouldn't trade one of our clutch shooters if we are fighting for a ring
lol agreed.
CLUTCH? Neal hit a 3 against memphis a couple seasons back and and everyone is all on his nuts. Neal and Green are both inconsistent garbage and if we rely on them again this year we are likely to get bounced in the first round.
I think Neal looks much better when he's not guarding point guards. Last night he was chasing around the Pelicans 2 guard pretty well in the 1st quarter. When he was trying to guard the pg he got burned several times in one of their several comebacks. Sure he doesn't have the size for your bigger 2's, but it beats people flying by him.
I know, but i was saying that Neal is no more clutch than Green and Green is impactful on both sides of the ball late in games. Neal also has a tendency to miss big free-throws and that worries me. He isn't really a player I'd think could help up beat OKC. He is too short, liable on D and struggles to attack the rim with Ibaka and Collison looking for blocks or drawing charges and his 3pt shooting has been way down this season. Against the Clippers he may be more impactful but i guess its all about match-ups anyway/\.
-Last season at Staples Neal stole an impounds pass and hit a pull up 3 to tie the game, sending it in to O.T we won the game and extended what turned out to be a 12 game win streak.
-Last season at OKC without Manu, or Captain Jack, Green stole an inbound pass with less than 30 seconds and a 3 point lead and drove and dunked it giving up a 5 point lead with 24 seconds left, we won that game.
-This Season Green hit a 3 over Kobe at Staples to give the Spurs a win
-This season Green shut down Lin in the final possession of regulation to force O.T he held Lin to 4 points over the final 10 minutes of reg. & O.T. despite Lin scoring a career high.
-Neal scored 10 points at Portland to help us seal a come from behind victory in the forth quarter.
Clutch?
BLAH BLAH BLAH, WHERE ARE THE CLUTCH PLAYOFF SHOTS?...
It's just hard to believe that we get something out of Neal that we don't get out of Mills. You could make the case that Neal is maybe a more consistent scorer, but everybody knows Patty can score in a hurry. Neal is shooting 44% from the field to Mills' 49%, 35% from three to Mills' 44%, and I know there's a sample size discrepancy but I would argue that they would at least have COMPARABLE numbers on offense. I really don't think you can make the case that Neal is a significantly better defender than Mills.
I love Gary Neal, but it seems to me like his value will be higher now playing big minutes than when everyone's back and he doesn't start at SG. I agree that we only include him in a trade for just picks if we've given up on this year.
But JJ Hickson can be had.
Definitely a matchup thing. Seeing as how he's a matchup fit against teams like the clippers or even Miami (or in any situation we need a big 3 pointer) he seems worth hanging on to as the 3rd shooting guard
I like Nene and Seraphin
I do too..........
lol at someone's suggestion to trade for Larry Sanders. Dude is playing out of his mind past month or so, and is likely a centerpiece going forward for the Bucks.
Seraphin and Okafor are both nice targets I wouldn't mind getting. Nene regressed way too much in Denver after receiving his big contract, and has been very injury prone past 12 months. He has been playing well lately but he just doesn't have the defensive chops to make him worth the trouble. Seraphin is a big part of the Wizards rebuilding project, and he is now starting for them and getting consistent minutes. That ship has likely sailed for us to get him cheap (Blair/Neal), and would now require players+draft picks to acquire him. Okafor is a guy they certainly wouldn't mind moving, and he is one of the better defensive centers in the NBA, and would likely fill in very nicely with us. The problem is, he's making 14 million in the last year of his deal and we would have to package Stephen Jackson to get him, which just isn't a good idea. We are already rubbing up against the luxury tax so there's no chance the Spurs take on the contract if the Wiz offer him to us for draft picks.
Part of the problem for the Spurs whenever trade scenarios come up is they pay their stars like stars and their role players like role players. In other words, because they always get their players on great deals, they never have the 6-10 mil/yr type guys that you can plug into a trade and work from there. That's why we never make splashy trades.
I was just thinking about Jan Vesley on Washington as a project type guy. Young and big. Has some ability and would fit well in San Antonio.
This, unfortunately I think Seraphin play this year means he is off the market unless someone is giving up young talent in return - leaving Okafor as probably the only real trade target with the Wizards. A SJ, Blair,Bonner for Okafor and Webster (Chris Singleton may be possible but not sure as his salary is slightly more) would work and if my math is correct still just barely keep Spurs under lux tax although not sure if Wizards would make that move. And as above poster pointed out giving up SJ to make this happen may not be best move for Spurs.
In a perfect world you would get decent big back while keeping SJax, but not sure that can happen
The Spurs could trade a marginal player, that would be Blair, perhaps Bonner. Neal's the 3rd scorer, the only playoffs proven backup PG, backups the SG position too, he's a great shooter, can score off the dribble, he's clutch too. He won't be traded unless the Spurs get a much better player.
RC and Pop won't throw the season for a second round pick.
Neal is 6'4" and can swing to both guard spots. If you look at Patty on the floor he looks about 5'10" even though he's listed at 6 foot. There's no way he can ever check any kind of 2 guard. He can barely stay in front of PGs half of the time. Neal shoots better than patty, and sees the floor on pick and rolls better.
Neither Neal or Patty is going to have an impact for us come playoff time.
Name another guy who Pop trusts more than Gary Neal to take a three pointer if we're down 3 in the last possession of a playoff game. People should remember too, the guy is making less than a million bucks this year, and you just don't find guys of Gary Neal's ability available at that price.
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Diaw won't waive his bird rights to go to Washington
1. Magic don't need expiring contracts
2. Trading two good players on rookie contracts doesn't help with rebuilding
Stephen Jackson
Manu Ginobili
Only the Lakers could pull such a trade off, and only once in a couple of years.
In reality Magic would ask for Leonard and Tiago, instead of Blair.
Russo21...there comes a point in every persons life where they sit back and reflect on the decisions they have made. Hard questions have to be asked and answered honestly. Perhaps that time is here for you. It's time to look at yourself in the mirror and say, "Maybe it's time for me to stop going to the trade machine."
Oh dont be stupid benefactor you party pooper.
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