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    Just get Neal out of the starting lineup. There are too many better players for Neal to get as many shots as he needs to take. If Jack moves to the four, I think Manu is the three, Neal is the two and De Colo is the point. I don't know how that would work out. If it can't, and the Spurs need to bring in another forward, then Neal's minutes may dry up.

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    Why is nobody questioning Green starting despites him scrubing at least as much as Boris except at a more stacked position?

    I like your rotation other than that, I agree that Jack at PF doesn't work that well with the twin towers starting (unless you acknowledge that Boris might be better at SF like SJax is better at PF).

    I'd go with something like :
    Starters: Parker/Manu/Leonard/Diaw/Duncan
    Bench: De Colo/Green/Gelabale?/Jackson/Splitter

    But Pop seems obsessed with the twin towers and it's growing on me since inside scoring is clearing where we have the edge over OKC :
    Starters: Parker/Manu/Leonard/Splitter/Duncan
    Bench: De Colo/Green/Diaw/Jackson/One of the twin tower
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    I'm' not sure on the full time aspect but I definitely agree Jack should play some PF.

    Aside of what is said in the OP is that Spurs bench unit is really slow footed on the perimeter. A Neal/Ginobili/Jack perimeter lineup will get destroyed by quickest lineup (cough.. Clippers...cough)

    To me, Spurs best rotation would be:
    Starters: Parker/Green/Leonard/Diaw/Duncan
    Bench: De Colo/Neal/Ginobili/Jackson/Splitter
    I agree; full time, I don't think he can do it. It's not the rebounding that's so much a concern (because Diaw is quite possibly the worst rebounding PF in the league) as it is the post defense. Had he been at his weight with the Bobcats (230-240) he might be able to pull it off, but at 210, I don't see it. Toughness only goes so far when you're giving up significant size and/or strength.

    As far as your rotation, if you're going to insert De Colo, then why not just switch Green and Ginobili? De Colo (play making)/Neal (scoring) can replace Ginobili in tandem and Green could fit in seamlessly as a spot up shooter, while the starting lineup would get another play maker. By pairing Ginobili with De Colo, De Colo would obviously defer quite a bit and become a spot up shooter, which is not his game.

    timvp, Jackson actually broke in as an SF with the Nets. It was with the Spurs that he was more of an SG, which lasted until he came back to them. But truly, he was always more SF than SG, so that was a seamless transition, just like going from SF to PF was for Horry, who despite being a sub par rebounder, was clearly more PF than SF for the vast majority of his career.

    You're overstating how difficult it is to acquire a solid fourth big. They absolutely have the assets to acquire it. It may not be someone ideal and it may require parting with a 1st, but I don't buy for a second that they can't get it if they want it badly enough. Failing to do so or resorting to gimmicky ideas like the one you're proposing will have them eliminated in the 2nd round.

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    well hes taller then blair and not a pussy like bonner so yes

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    I agree; full time, I don't think he can do it. It's not the rebounding that's so much a concern (because Diaw is quite possibly the worst rebounding PF in the league) as it is the post defense.
    Not his own rebounding but Tiago's rebounding may be the problem, he doesn't seem to rebound as well since his weight loss and he wasn't that great to begin with, so it's hard to see a pairing of Tiago with an undersized 4 being successful.

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    Tim-Sjax is good, Tim-Tiago is good, but Sjax playing PF might indeed not be the full solution, we may still need a backup center who can rebound.

    PLaying Sjax PF would make him better at least, I think that much is clear.

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    I like that. Our PG, SG, and SF positions are logjammed, and with Timmy and Tiago handling the center spot, some help at PF would help. If Jax can continue to play tough and rebound I'd love him at PF. A better big than Blair at this point

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    I agree; full time, I don't think he can do it. It's not the rebounding that's so much a concern (because Diaw is quite possibly the worst rebounding PF in the league) as it is the post defense. Had he been at his weight with the Bobcats (230-240) he might be able to pull it off, but at 210, I don't see it. Toughness only goes so far when you're giving up significant size and/or strength.
    If you believe Jackson weighs 210 pounds, I got a future Hall of Famer in DeJuan Blair to trade you.

    As far as your rotation, if you're going to insert De Colo, then why not just switch Green and Ginobili? De Colo (play making)/Neal (scoring) can replace Ginobili in tandem and Green could fit in seamlessly as a spot up shooter, while the starting lineup would get another play maker. By pairing Ginobili with De Colo, De Colo would obviously defer quite a bit and become a spot up shooter, which is not his game.
    Fine with me. And that's part of the flexibility moving Jackson to PF offers.

    You're overstating how difficult it is to acquire a solid fourth big. They absolutely have the assets to acquire it. It may not be someone ideal and it may require parting with a 1st, but I don't buy for a second that they can't get it if they want it badly enough. Failing to do so or resorting to gimmicky ideas like the one you're proposing will have them eliminated in the 2nd round.
    Names?

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    I don't like the idea of jax playing PF

    he is not as athletic to be a small ball PF. If you want to play small you need to compliment it with quickness speed and power. He still is better then Bonner but still we will lose SF and he can't play both roles cause IMO he will not gonna be able to play 30+ minutes.

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    Dalembert doesn't get much playing time, could send Bonner who could backup Ilysova pretty and Danny Green.

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    Dalembert doesn't get much playing time, could send Bonner who could backup Ilysova pretty and Danny Green.
    Stop with this Green hate. Are you paranoid or what?

    Who will be better on D on SG position? Neal?

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    Stop with this Green hate. Are you paranoid or what?

    Who will be better on D on SG position? Neal?
    Manu, De Colo, Anderson was also better, Green never slowed down a SG in his life, he's only good at pressuring PGs when they handle the ball.

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    De Colo has several good blocks on SGs.

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    If you believe Jackson weighs 210 pounds, I got a future Hall of Famer in DeJuan Blair to trade you.
    Fair enough, I'm just telling you what he said. I'm skeptical too, but why would he have reason to lie? Presuming he is though and he's playing at his listed weight of 220 or slightly above that . . . that's still pushing it.

    Names?
    Who can say with absolute certainty that they can acquire (insert player) with what they have to offer? I'm jut saying, I'm confident they can acquire a serviceable fourth big if they want one enough.

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    De Colo has several good blocks on SGs.
    You really wants to put a point guard rookie on the starting 5 and give him shooting guard duties?

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    I just don't get always trying to over bolster your bench. If Diaw is worth anything, he should be motivated enough to carry a bench unit against 2nd/3rd stringers and dominate, especially when he has De Colo, Neal, Gino, Jackson on the floor with him possibly.
    Well, the Parker/Green/Leonard/Diaw/Duncan lineup was dominant last season in the 2 first round of the playoffs. I think Diaw is a better fit than Splitter to start with this group because he will bring some spasing and playmaking.

    As far as your rotation, if you're going to insert De Colo, then why not just switch Green and Ginobili?
    Because I don't think De Colo is good enough to be the only playmaker on the court. I rather have him on the court with Manu and having both sharing playmaking duties.

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    I don't know why people keep saying Green is playing badly as a shooting guard when he hasn't even played the position in about a month. For the small stretch he was one the court with Leonard he played great all around. It wouldn't shock me to see the Spurs go on a big winning streak soon.

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    Danny Green going HAM right now..

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    We need to shop for a SF, either in free agency or through trades, and make Jack the backup PF. He is a better big than Ginger, Whataburger, and at this point even Diaw. In a 7 game series, when opposing coaches realize they literally don't need to assign a defender to Diaw and can just clog up the lane, we become exploitable. Jack is definitely a better rebounder than the turd stains, definitely a better floor spacer than firecrotch in the playoffs, and is better equipped to guard the new Lebron, Melo, Durant, Griffin smallball forwards that are all the rage these days.

    I just don't see another viable PF coming through the door, but an SF might be easier to find and Jack, I would argue, is the 2nd best PF on the roster.
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    Well, the Parker/Green/Leonard/Diaw/Duncan lineup was dominant last season in the 2 first round of the playoffs. I think Diaw is a better fit than Splitter to start with this group because he will bring some spasing and playmaking.



    Because I don't think De Colo is good enough to be the only playmaker on the court. I rather have him on the court with Manu and having both sharing playmaking duties.
    I don't disagree about the spacing and playmaking with Boris next to Tim at all, however Tiago (while not the level of Boris in passing, creativity) is still a very good passer and brings different things to the table (length, ability to score) and the upside of the Tim/Tiago line up going well vs. the Boris/Tim lineup seems to be much higher (as we saw in the OKC series, I'm not sure if Boris/Tim can get the Spurs to a final). Tiago/Tim at least has enough potential to try.

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    Very good argument here. I think it passes the eye test very well, and follows today's NBA trend well. So far in this Mavs game, Jack is looking like a faster (albeit shorter) Horry.

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    Because I don't think De Colo is good enough to be the only playmaker on the court. I rather have him on the court with Manu and having both sharing playmaking duties.
    I agree . . . but he wouldn't be in this case. Neal could assist him in that regard, even if most of Neal's play making is for himself. Besides, Ginobili would come out at the 5 minute mark (as opposed to entering then), then return sometime during Parker's rest to play some with the 2nd unit. In short stretches, I don't see why they couldn't get away with De Colo-Neal, when they get away with a lesser play making back court of Neal-Green during that same stretch as is.

    Really, the rotation should be what you said, minus De Colo. They should just play nine and stop attempting to force a tenth in until (unless?) they acquire a serviceable fourth big.

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    Makes sense. I always put him @ pf on 2k tbh

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    I could see that working as long as Jack is protected against the few legit 4's left. No need to take a pounding ahead of the playoffs. I especially like the crunch time lineup of:
    Duncan
    Jack
    Kawhi
    Manu
    Parker

    Which closely mirrors the 2005 lineup of:
    Duncan
    Horry
    Bowen
    Manu
    Parker

    If the Spurs get to the finals, that lineup would be great matching up against Miami or NY. Not sure about OKC or the Clips though. And I don't see how it could work against Memphis.

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    Jax as a stretch 4 would be great. Not to mention he can take it inside.

    Pop played him at the 4 against Dallas because they don't have size to counter and he does a good job on Dirk anyway.

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