The Blazers are shopping LaMarcus Aldridge

[benefactor]

Bonner lover and RMJ lover have weighed in. We have to be approaching some sort of scientific basketball breakthrough.

[Drz]

anything about the trade idea being intelligent

It's an easy trade to defend. Aldridge's contract value > Aldridge's player value. It's a net negative. Like K2 and others said, we'd be giving them expiring contracts and a chance to shed some excess weight and free up cap room for a better signing.

That's not to say it's a good trade for Portland. Even though I think the contract's a net negative, it's still very close, and he's obviously a great player. But moreso, they could easily get more value than expiring contracts, because all you need is one dumb team. And the Spurs won't be that dumb team that gives up valuable parts for a bad, or even marginal, contract.

[benefactor]

It's an easy trade to defend. Aldridge's contract value > Aldridge's player value. It's a net negative. Like K2 and others said, we'd be giving them expiring contracts and a chance to shed some excess weight and free up cap room for a better signing.

It just makes no sense for Portland to salary dump Aldridge, a 27 year old All-Star who will not have turned 30 when his current contract ends.

[benefactor]

I really want to believe all of you are better than this. Please convince me you are.

[gee]

Dude how about bonner blair and neal. ing done.

[Drz]

I really want to believe all of you are better than this. Please convince me you are.

I was going to say $13.5M per year was too much for a guy barely beating league average statistics this yaer, but then I saw the infallible 27 year old all star argument you quoted and ran with my tail between my legs.

[AFBlue]

I was going to say $13.5M per year was too much for a guy barely beating league average statistics this yaer, but then I saw the infallible 27 year old all star argument you quoted and ran with my tail between my legs.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but Aldridge is averaging almost 21/9 and has consistently for the last couple years. The only glimmer of hope you or any others have to justify the possibility of a salary dump trade is the Gasol trade. But, even that netted Marc Gasol and a couple first rounders.

It just isn't probable that the Trailblazers would salary dump Aldridge, especially for what the Spurs lack to offer.

[Russo21]

Theres no way in we can get Aldridge.

Blazers already have a very very good young PG in Lillard so they wouldnt want Tony.
They have a pretty good SG in Wesley Mathews so no need for Manu.
They have Nicolas Batum so have no need for Jackson.
And all our bigs apart from Duncan and Splitter are house

Duncan and Splitter for Alrdridge would work but theres no ing way we do that.

I just don't see any realistic way we could land him. Portlands F/O would be on the floor laughing if RC called them offering a Jackson/Bonner trade.

[Russo21]

It just isn't probable that the Trailblazers would salary dump Aldridge, especially for what the Spurs lack to offer.

This

[benefactor]

crofl barely beating

Why did I even ask to be convinced? I knew better.

[cd021]

If true (which I doubt), Portland is going to want plenty more than just cap relief, such as a young SG to pair up with Lillard in the backcourt.

To piggyback on that I'd more than guarantee that they'd want Kawhi Leonard along with Jackson, Bonner (two last two combined, are owed a $1 million dollars, if Bonner is waived) and maybe a draft pick.

It makes since that they would, L.A is like 28 and waiting on Lillard and Meyers Leonard to develop and help Batum and L.A. compete for a le in the next couple of seasons isn't going to happen.

[sasffl]

It's a robbery. Even though Blazers are shopping LA, they're more interested in high draft picks

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It's an easy trade to defend. Aldridge's contract value > Aldridge's player value. It's a net negative. Like K2 and others said, we'd be giving them expiring contracts and a chance to shed some excess weight and free up cap room for a better signing.

OK, let's suppose that on some cloud cuckoo land Portland actually decide to salary dump their All Star player. Why would they take the Spurs expirings over some other team's who can also offer better draft picks than Spurs?

[chazley]

Bonner lover and RMJ lover have weighed in. We have to be approaching some sort of scientific basketball breakthrough.

Here's the difference between me and you: I can admit when I was wrong (RMJ). You can't.

[Mal]

Please close every trade regarding Spurs getting young all-star. They simply dont have any assets to make such move.

[MANUNG-Ginobili]

getting Cousins is more realistic than Aldridge..

[benefactor]

Here's the difference between me and you: I can admit when I was wrong (RMJ). You can't.

I've owned up to being wrong plenty of times on this forum, Mr. #1. I just spend less time talking out of my ass than you do.

[PBEEZY]

If Portland are going to trade LMA it won't be for Cap relief and two 25-30 draft picks. They would be in complete rebuild mode and would be looking to get back young promising talent (either 24 or younger) and lottery level draft picks.

[Chinook]

If Portland are going to trade LMA it won't be for Cap relief and two 25-30 draft picks. They would be in complete rebuild mode and would be looking to get back young promising talent (either 24 or younger) and lottery level draft picks.

People always say this (and I agree it makes sense), but it rarely works out that way. How often does any player get moved for that kind of package? The best example I can think of was Deron Williams. Sure, Chris Paul was traded for Eric Gordon, Aminu and what turned out to be the 10th-overall pick in the draft, but all in all, that hasn't really amounted to much for New Orleans so far. And those were trades for who were widely considered to be the top two point guards in the league. I love Aldridge, but he's not going to get the same haul that Howard got. And Howard himself only got a couple of decent, but not great young players (I do love what Vulcevic is doing right now, though), a couple of overpaid vets and three low-level first-rounders. Of course Howard was a cancerous player coming off an injury, but all and all, I think he was more attractive than Aldridge is.

The Spurs may not be able to provide a good enough package (especially by themselves) but someone will be able to. If Aldridge does get traded, I think the haul is going to be worse than a lot of people expect it to be.

[PBEEZY]

People always say this (and I agree it makes sense), but it rarely works out that way. How often does any player get moved for that kind of package? The best example I can think of was Deron Williams. Sure, Chris Paul was traded for Eric Gordon, Aminu and what turned out to be the 10th-overall pick in the draft, but all in all, that hasn't really amounted to much for New Orleans so far. And those were trades for who were widely considered to be the top two point guards in the league. I love Aldridge, but he's not going to get the same haul that Howard got. And Howard himself only got a couple of decent, but not great young players (I do love what Vulcevic is doing right now, though), a couple of overpaid vets and three low-level first-rounders. Of course Howard was a cancerous player coming off an injury, but all and all, I think he was more attractive than Aldridge is.

The Spurs may not be able to provide a good enough package (especially by themselves) but someone will be able to. If Aldridge does get traded, I think the haul is going to be worse than a lot of people expect it to be.

D Will, Melo, CP3, all of these guys got traded for decent packages. Dwight is the only trade which looks uneven but even in that, they got Vucevic and harklass who were both considered promising prospects. The difference between all these players and LMA is that they all wanted to be traded. LMA has not requested a trade nor seems upset at his role in the team. Portland have full advantage over this situation, they only need to trade if they feel like what they are getting in return is of equal value as what LMA brings to the team.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The Spurs may not be able to provide a good enough package (especially by themselves) but someone will be able to. If Aldridge does get traded, I think the haul is going to be worse than a lot of people expect it to be.

Jack, Tiago, Kawhi + picks for Aldridge + Claver or Babbitt.

Probably the best package the Spurs could come up with, but unlikely to be good enough.

[Chinook]

Jack, Tiago, Kawhi + picks for Aldridge + Claver or Babbitt.

Probably the best package the Spurs could come up with, but unlikely to be good enough.

I agree with you, but I think Green for Matthews makes some sense, too. It would save the Blazers money and all that. It'd be a bad trade for San Antonio, but it's another little sacrifice.

[Chinook]

D Will, Melo, CP3, all of these guys got traded for decent packages. Dwight is the only trade which looks uneven but even in that, they got Vucevic and harklass who were both considered promising prospects. The difference between all these players and LMA is that they all wanted to be traded. LMA has not requested a trade nor seems upset at his role in the team. Portland have full advantage over this situation, they only need to trade if they feel like what they are getting in return is of equal value as what LMA brings to the team.

Melo got a good return, but it wasn't really all that great compared to his value. You're right that all of their values were depressed because they were a) trying to get out of the their current situations and b) in the last year (potentially) of their contracts. But they were all significantly more highly coveted than Aldridge is. I'd've taken Lamarcus over every one of those other guys, but for most teams, he's not the missing piece for which it is worth it to gut an entire franchise. He'd only really be good on a team with a dominant post big already. The Lakers make the most sense there, but the Rockets and Pacers may have a say as well.

[PBEEZY]

Melo got a good return, but it wasn't really all that great compared to his value. You're right that all of their values were depressed because they were a) trying to get out of the their current situations and b) in the last year (potentially) of their contracts. But they were all significantly more highly coveted than Aldridge is. I'd've taken Lamarcus over every one of those other guys, but for most teams, he's not the missing piece for which it is worth it to gut an entire franchise. He'd only really be good on a team with a dominant post big already. The Lakers make the most sense there, but the Rockets and Pacers may have a say as well.

Regardless, they don't need to trade which is my whole point. If they do it will only be because they percieve they are recieving full value on their return, which would be young promising pieces (Not ROY candidates but guys who would have made the 1st or 2nd Rookie teams the past couple of years, as well as a lottery pick or two.

An example would be Thomas Robinson & Tyreke Evans and the Kings next two first round picks. I'm not saying either team does this trade or it matches salary wise but it's an example of what they would atleast be expecting to return.

Edit: I realise I said they wouldn't be getting a ROY back but in the case of Evans his rookie season was his best and, he's obviously not happy with his current position in Sacramento.

[Beaverfuzz]

LaMarcus wouldn't fit in the Spurs system, he'd rather shoot from the outside than post up with his back to the basket. Sure, crash the boards might be a positive but he disappears in games too many times.