NBA: Prime J-Kidd vs Prime Nash

[irishock]

LOL such a badass he goes 3-23 in the most important game of his life while the guy he's guarding puts up 21, 20, 10, and 8.

this

[Clipper Nation]

LOL such a badass he goes 3-23 in the most important game of his life while the guy he's guarding puts up 21, 20, 10, and 8.

Since Kool is a Kobe stan, he probably thinks 3-23 is a great shooting performance

[irishock]

[Dallas]

Both players served the Mavs with class and high-quality play. I would go with Jason Kidd because of his superior basketball IQ.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Steve Nash 0 finals while playing on staaaaaaaaacked teams

Kidd 2 finals while playing on unstaaaaaacked teams 1 ring on a staaaaaaaaacked team

Kidd > Nash

[Malik Hairston]

Prime Kidd is one of the most overrated players in NBA history, tbh..

While it's a nice luxury to have a PG that rebounds and defends at a high level, those are traits that are more important inside, and even on the wing..

A poor defensive PG can be masked on a championship team(many examples), but a guard that cannot shoot is a massive liability, especially when he's a top player on the team(Rondo, as a recent example, exploited vs. LA in 2010 and benched for Eddie House in 2008)..

Jason Kidd post-Nets is one of the best role players I've ever seen, but prime Kidd could easily be exploited as a top option..

[Jordanobili2320]

Key word is Prime? Kobe losing to the Mavs was WAY WAY past his prime....plus it was Dirt's team not Kidd's ; try again son

a bit defensive are we?

[Jordanobili2320]

Prime Kidd is one of the most overrated players in NBA history, tbh..

While it's a nice luxury to have a PG that rebounds and defends at a high level, those are traits that are more important inside, and even on the wing..

A poor defensive PG can be masked on a championship team(many examples), but a guard that cannot shoot is a massive liability, especially when he's a top player on the team(Rondo, as a recent example, exploited vs. LA in 2010 and benched for Eddie House in 2008)..

Jason Kidd post-Nets is one of the best role players I've ever seen, but prime Kidd could easily be exploited as a top option..

What are you talking about? 2 finals appearances in his prime is being easily exploited in your prime? What are you on? Also on a side note, Rondo was the Celtics best and most valuable player in their 2010 run in fact most agree that is where he made a name for himself as an elite PG. so, why you disrespecting people?

[Latarian Milton]

nash's offensive talents have been overrated too imho. dude only functions well in run-and-gun systems while his impact is rather limited in half-court offense, let alone his poor defense that offers the opposing team an obvious weaklink to exploit. kidd might not be a good shooter in his early years but it's not like magic was anywhere better than him in that regard, dude has the 2nd most career total triple doubles in NBA history which speaks for itself imho

[TDMVPDPOY]

prime kidd = statpadder looking for the triple double, this guy has alot of triples, but how many of them are in winning games...

as for nash..lol pad stats in Runnin gun system even in scrub minutes...

[Koolaid_Man]

Career numbers: As soon as Nash gets his le the debate will be final...like I said Nash had to play against the Laker and Spur dynasties it's unfair to compare his compe ion to Kidds...

Jason Kidd - 12.9 ppg, 40 % fg, 9 assists, 6 rbs, 2 steals ppg, 78% free throws ; 35% career three point shooter
Steve Nash - 14.4ppg, 50% fg, 9 assists, 3 rbs, 1 steal ppg, 90% free throws, 42 % career three point shooter

[Jodelo]

Kidd could dominate a game without scoring!

[Koolaid_Man]

Kidd could dominate a game without scoring!

he could also dominate his son's plate full of french fries... here's the play by play of how it allegedly went down:

• Wife cooks up some french fries for dinner
• Kidd eats his and then steals one off his son's plate
• His wife yells at him for stealing the fry
• He's says you don't work I'm the one paying for this anyway
• He then throws a fry at her and punches her in the face
• He then leaves the house goes to a club and grabs some strippers pussy --> http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ticle-1.229675
• He goes back home and realizes his wife will file for divorce
• He then claims his wife abused him ---> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/do en...wife-abused-me
• He shows up to practice listening to a punk rock heavy metal band called white snake

http://www.truthabou .net/2007/12/...-thinking.html

[Killakobe81]

The first reaction to me was "Kidd", a better two way, all-around player but then I remember that people used to called him _ason Kidd and than Nash is arguably the greatest shooter of all-time and I start having second thoughts.

This but its close. If Kidd had the jumper he had today in his prime it would not be ...

[Killakobe81]

nash's offensive talents have been overrated too imho. dude only functions well in run-and-gun systems while his impact is rather limited in half-court offense, let alone his poor defense that offers the opposing team an obvious weaklink to exploit. kidd might not be a good shooter in his early years but it's not like magic was anywhere better than him in that regard, dude has the 2nd most career total triple doubles in NBA history which speaks for itself imho

Magic became a good shooter at the tail end of his prime ...neither Pg is in the same category. As good and great as they are Magic is in a whole separate class.

[stretch]

Kidd could dominate a game without scoring!

So could Nash.

[irishock]

So could Nash.

Offensively only.

[stretch]

Magic became a good shooter at the tail end of his prime ...neither Pg is in the same category. As good and great as they are Magic is in a whole separate class.

How so?

I wouldn't want a championship team built around either player, however I think you can build a team around Magic easier. But if you have a superstar scorer already on the team (which you should), I would rather have Nash run point, heavily because of his ability to spot up and shoot.

[stretch]

Offensively only.

Defense from a PG is probably the least necessary thing on a team. It is by far the easiest position to mask defensively with good team defense. His offensive advantages over Kidd outweighs Kidd's defensive advantages over Nash.

If your PG is your best defender, then your team has some serious defensive issues. A PG should never be a teams best defender.

[Killakobe81]

How so?

I wouldn't want a championship team built around either player, however I think you can build a team around Magic easier. But if you have a superstar scorer already on the team (which you should), I would rather have Nash run point, heavily because of his ability to spot up and shoot.

Nash is an amazing shooter but Magic has an aura that few can match. Magic won a state NCAA and NBA championship within a 4 year span. Sure he had good team-mates especially in pros but none of those teams cores wo. Before he arrived. Dude is the ultimate winner and he made his teams even the dream team better ...only guys I take over him are Jordan, Kareem, and maybe 2000 Version of Shaq and MVP version of Hakeem and the last two I at least think about before I do. You can build around magic he took a young Vlade and old Worthy coached by Dunleavy to the Finals ...beating a le contending Blazers squad. Neither Kidd or Nash has a win like that on their resume in their prime.

[Juggity]

LOL such a badass he goes 3-23 in the most important game of his life while the guy he's guarding puts up 21, 20, 10, and 8.

Kool walked right into that buzzsaw

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What are you talking about? 2 finals appearances in his prime is being easily exploited in your prime? What are you on? Also on a side note, Rondo was the Celtics best and most valuable player in their 2010 run in fact most agree that is where he made a name for himself as an elite PG. so, why you disrespecting people?

He made the finals because the East was horrid those two years.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Prime Kidd is one of the most overrated players in NBA history, tbh..

While it's a nice luxury to have a PG that rebounds and defends at a high level, those are traits that are more important inside, and even on the wing..

A poor defensive PG can be masked on a championship team(many examples), but a guard that cannot shoot is a massive liability, especially when he's a top player on the team(Rondo, as a recent example, exploited vs. LA in 2010 and benched for Eddie House in 2008)..

Jason Kidd post-Nets is one of the best role players I've ever seen, but prime Kidd could easily be exploited as a top option..

This tbh. A PG who rebounds well is like a PF/C who shoots 3 pointers well. It's nice but it's far from important.

[FkLA]

I agree about his jumpshot, but the guy was still solid on offense. IIRC his mid-range game was solid and he was probably the best at posting up other PGs, plus really good finisher and conductor on the fastbreak. Nash has always been an atrocious defender...Id say he was a way bigger liability and harder to hide than Kidd ever was on either side of the ball.

[resistanze]

LOL such a badass he goes 3-23 in the most important game of his life while the guy he's guarding puts up 21, 20, 10, and 8.