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They've kicked alotta ass!!! That's what they've done! Are you cats serious? We're second round fodder for whom exactly?
moral victory against the Heat
They've kicked alotta ass!!! That's what they've done! Are you cats serious? We're second round fodder for whom exactly?
It's not the same team with Tiago starting. Besides Pop realized there was a problem with the guard rotation vs the Thunder last year but still rolled with the same guards rotation this year...
I agree with you that Lebron is better than Tony. But point guards can lead teams to championships - Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, and even Chauncy Billups. Also, Jason Kidd took the Nets to two finals when he was their best player. If the Clippers somehow get through it will be because of Chris Paul. So it is possible.
Transitioning from an aging defensive team to a juggernaunt offensive team in 2 1/3 seasons is pretty remarkable. Duncan has been able to extend his career by second option while the team has won 136 games out of the last 182 regular season games (74.7%)Keep playing the back to back and tired card. Because of course that works wonderfully for them every year.
This team has proven time and again they cant contend come playoff time. Stats count for nothing in the playoffs.
Teams adjust during the playoffs, Spurs seem not to like they think what they have would be enough. Same thinking has gotten them ass ed the past 2 years.
And that is why this team is going nowhere anytime soon.
Depending on Splitter, Diaw and to an extent Jackson is a joke in itself.
Jax gets injured by the slightest mistep so I wouldn't count on him to be there when it counts.
Miami rotation is not the best, is nowhere near that but they chip in when it matters and yes I would take theirs over the joke lineup in Splitter+Diaw+Jackson just based on the fact that their "joke" rotation already have a championship while this one has been trying 3 years running and nothing to show for it.
Manu was playing with an broken arm in the 2010 playoffs against team that had a ton of length and inside scoring. In 2011 we lost 4 games by an average of 6.5 pts in the WCF after winning the 1st 10 games of the post season. Your logic that the Spurs are regular season team is illogical. Green was essentially a rookie, Kawhi had a great WCF and actually was a rookie.
Splitter was a redshirt rookie (he seldom played in 2010) and has been more Jackson shook off the 30% 3pt he had prior to the playoffs to shoot 61.5 3pt in the post season including 13 of 22 in the final 4 games of the WCF. He rolled his ankle (I didn't see it yet but thats what ive been able to understand) Its basketball it happens pretty easily. Rose tore his ACL after pro hopping in the lane ,something he's done hundreds of times.
To say Miami's rotation is not the best is an understatement, i'm not willing to let slide. Anthony is inept on offense and can't play more than 12-15 without becoming a burden on the other 4 players who need to offset his lack of production.
Pitman is barely a player in this league. Lewis, aside from floor spacing, isn't much help to say to they least. He is the teams 2nd tallest player but can't board, something they desperately need.
Bosh was out rebounded last night by Wade and Lebron (who had 10 & 12 compared to his 4) despite the fact that he is mostly playing center. Haslem is good but can't really defend bigger forwards and can't board enough to help with their rebounding problems and can't score in the post or create his own shot His P.E.R of 9.1 ,should help drive the point home about their rotation.
Chalmers is inconsistent, Miller constantly looks like he's playing through an injury and has not nearly lived up to his contract. Allen isn't nearly the defender he was a couple of years ago and can be a liability on the wing.
Splitter has a P.E.R higher than than everyone of Miami big men except Bosh, Jacksons P.E.R is higher than Haslems and Diaw, Bonner, & Blair all have better P.E.R's than any of Miami's big man rotation save for Bosh. As a whole Miami has only 4 players who have an above average P.E.R (15 or better) the Spurs have 5 with 4 of them with an P.E.R better than 20 (all star caliber).
Miami won a championship despite struggling through a joke of an conference (they trailed in every series they played) while the Spurs went 10-0 before losing 3 close games against a tough OKC team in a tough conference. Not winning a championship in 2 seasons doesn't prove a damn thing the spurs didn't win for three seasons after 1999, by your logic they were a regular season team then too.
None of your points are even remotely accurate.
^^^^sorry bro but the spurs are garbage, 2nd round exit
I think so. The big rotation has finally worked itself out but the guards are becoming an issue now because Manu/Neal are handling the ball too much and microball with Green at the 3 is a disaster against good teams. Don't even get me started on the situation with De Colo and Mills.
The other problem with this is that our second unit is too perimeter-oriented with guys like Neal or Mills running the show. When players like Manu or Neal miss their shots like tonight, our bench just can't produce. When Neal is the primary ball-handler things get worse because he doesn't seem to know when to stop shooting. For that reason Pop may need to start matching up De Colo with Green or telling Manu to let De Colo run the sets. His decision making seems better than Neal's and he doesn't seem as turnover prone when he's comfortable. Perhaps guaranteed minutes can get some of that inexperience off.
I mean against some teams you can play Diaw at the 5, the no ball handlers line-up, or let Neal/Manu run the point and still win because the Spurs are that good. Against teams like New York or LAC, however, that's just asking for trouble. I've been a pretty happy fan this year but if there's one thing that could hurt the Spurs in the playoffs, Green at the 3 and the back-up point situation would be it.
Six of these are back to backs.
With more than a third of the season done, I'd expected the backup pg situation to be resolved. No one has stepped up and earned the spot. It's time for Pop to make a choice and distribute the minutes accordingly. I'd say throw De Colo in the fire and let him learn as he goes. Green at backup SF is a trainwreck waiting to happen. He tries his best, he's just not any good at that position on a regular basis.
i strongly agree with the OP. the spurs will be up to their usual choking when the playoffs come around.
That's what makes it so painful actually. If De Colo or Mills had played better this wouldn't even be up for debate. At this point I'm just thinking that the true pg should get the nod over Mills because, frankly, Neal is already out there.
Agreed on Green.
This is true. Obviously fatigue and injuries are factors in those six losses, but it's still pretty concerning to me. To compare, NY is 4-1, MIA is 2-4, LAC is 4-1, and OKC is 2-3. The Spurs have the worst record out of the bunch. The "it's January/regular season" excuse was only legitimate when the Spurs had a championship team IMO. This team doesn't have that resume.
Neal and Mills may have similar playing styles in the fact that they are shoot-first point guards, but Mills has a lot of skills that makes him an upgrade over Neal.
1. Patty's probably the quickest guy on the team (maybe excluding Parker). Whilst both Neal and Mills aren't as good as De Colo at dribbling the ball, Mills' speed makes it easier for him to take it up to half court as opposed to Neal who can barely get it over half court. His speed also allows him to stay in front of quicker guards, something that Neal struggles to do.
2. Mills also passes a lot more than Neal, which makes him more like the typical point guard. Even though he's not good at it, Mills will sometimes try to run a pick and roll with Bonner, Duncan, Diaw and Splitter. When Neal's in the game, he puts up shots at a very high rate and almost never looks to create a play for any of his teammates. That wouldn't be a problem if his shots are going in, but they aren't.
3. Whenever he's in the game, he brings energy to the Spurs and is a great teammate.
You can't say that we shouldn't give Mills a try based on the fact that Neal, someone who has a similar playing style, has proved ineffective as the backup pg. I'd give both Mills and De Colo a chance and then judge based on what they bring to the table in meaningful minutes.
Very interesting today how Pop used Millsanity for five plus minutes before the half.
Showed some trust in the big game at the garden, went into the half only a couple down? Kidd? Slowing down maybe trying to exploit? Played some good D in that five minutes. ???
By time Mills returned I think we were 17 down, and Nando followed moments later, so game had bolted by then and the day was already lost.
Irrelavant stat because:
Clippers losses: One was a legit loss, but it was @LA and early in the season, the other was without Leonard and with Jackson getting hurt early. We still barely lost.
Thunder loss was part of a brb, @OKC, and was without Leonard and Ginobili.
Heat loss was 4th game in 5 nights and our best 5 guys didn't play. Still barely lost.
one loss vs Knicks was 4th game in 5 nights and @NY. Other loss was legit, but only 4 point game and early in the season.
Most of the losses were irrelevant and not indicative of anything. These numbers will even out as the season goes along. 4th game in 5 nights losses never mean anything imo. Especially when they're on the road too.
It was a pathetic performance. Absolutely abysmal performance. The 4 games in 5 nights excuse is for gots.
Here we go with this dumb crap, first half of the season and now we are not good against the BEST! 26-9 with the horrible schedule we have had and now it's over! Spurs fans are spoiled idiots at times, period. I would love to see anyone of these teams stay on top this long and have the Run the Spurs have, yet you idiots pick on them as if they are some bad horrible team! I swear to GOD.
u mad?
Is this a serious comment? Manu ain't getting anybody's back. Dude's old as .Timmy will lead us tbh. Manu will have his back too.
Well I just finished watching the game a few minutes ago, so yeah, I am a little mad. It's actually the first game in a very long time where I didn't watch it through to the end. The Spurs were just that bad out there.
The Spurs and the fans need to stop using the 4 games in 5 nights excuse. I wouldn't have been anywhere near as mad if the Spurs competed, but they got the floor wiped with their asses.
Why? Are they not human beings who tire out like anyone else? Do we not have one of the oldest cores in the league? Why isn't fatigue allowed for an NBA team with several players over 30? You talk a lot of smack about being tireless, what do you do for work that you are able to perform at an all-world level for hours per day, almost every day of your life?
He's also making 13 million dollars a year. Trading him isn't out of the question.
EDIT:Ginobili's making 14 million dollars a year.
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Only a moron would think that for all the years we've had Manu that he hasn't been a BARGAIN for the production we've gotten out of him. God damn, if you had any more of a "what have you done lately?" at ude you'd be asking for handjobs in response to your Spurstalk posts.He's also making 13 million dollars a year. Trading him isn't out of the question.
lol. I'm starting to get the vibe that you're a troll.
"Let's ignore Neal's shot selection. Who cares if he's missing them."
Manu's been a great performer for the Spurs, but he's at lower end of his career. He's old, doesn't have the explosiveness that he used to have, and isn't producing anything near what is expected of someone who's getting paid 13 million dollars a year. There's very little chance that he'll end up being traded, but trading him isn't necessarily a bad thing for the Spurs. Rather than be a troll and argue with everyone's opinions in a nonsensical manner, try to find something to backup your own points.
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