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    I don't expect someone who says he was in the military and people in the military don't care about my opinion to inquire.
    I am not currently in the military. I never said they don't care about your opinion, I said they don't care about you. They aren't sitting around saying "we have to save these civilians" like Moore seems to suggest. It's funny when someone pretends that a person becomes a hero just because they take the oath of enlistment, as if anyone wearing a uniform is a hero. It's a job. Some come home in a pine box, and they might have done some heroic before they died, but that's not for you and me, it's for their comrades who were in deep.

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    You don't think women are aware of that risk when they join a militaristic ins ution predominated by men?
    So a woman working in a male dominated inudustry (firefighter, police, wall street, senator) assumes the risk of rape thereby releasing all liability?

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    Are you two implying a woman who joins the military is more likely to get raped than if she stayed a civilian?
    Yes. And stats back it up.

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    I am not currently in the military. I never said they don't care about your opinion, I said they don't care about you.
    So they care about my opinion then?

    It's good to know my opinion pisses them off because they subconsciously know it's true.

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    So they care about my opinion then?

    It's good to know my opinion pisses them off because they subconsciously know it's true.
    I didn't say they do care about your opinion. I never mentioned your opinion.

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    So a woman working in a male dominated inudustry (firefighter, police, wall street, senator) assumes the risk of rape thereby releasing all liability?
    Hey I know, why don't you take an obvious statement and build a strawman then fight that while we watch.

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    Adding more to your post just shows how little you care about my opinion.

    Keep telling me more about how insignificant my opinion that you keep analyzing is.
    Show me where I mentioned your opinion. In fact, show me where I mentioned you at all.

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    I didn't say they do care about your opinion. I never mentioned your opinion.
    So do they care or not care about my opinion?

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    So do they care or not care about my opinion?
    You'd have to ask each one individually, they don't think in group lock step. Most of the ones I've met probably wouldn't care about your opinion though, but I haven't met all of them.

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    So a woman working in a male dominated inudustry (firefighter, police, wall street, senator) assumes the risk of rape thereby releasing all liability?
    Obviously not, I was being facetious. But I'm not surprised that women in a militaristic ins ution predominated by men get raped a ton more than civvies. And neither should enlisted women. That's my point.

    How are firefighters, senators, and ibankers analogous here?

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    Show me where I mentioned your opinion. In fact, show me where I mentioned you at all.
    What I got from your initial post is that most in the military doesn't give two s about people like me or what people like me think.

    I'd contend there are plenty of servicemen/servicewomen who get an ego boost and smug feeling every time they see a "support our troops!" bumper sticker, a lot of which were convinced to join the military largely due to the phony praise citizens give them by slapping a bumper sticker on their car. Maybe not you personally, but a significant amount of people in the military.

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    Hey I know, why don't you take an obvious statement and build a strawman then fight that while we watch.
    It was a question. Assumption of risk bars liability from the defendant.

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    Obviously not, I was being facetious. But I'm not surprised that women in a militaristic ins ution predominated by men get raped a ton more than civvies. And neither should enlisted women. That's my point.

    How are firefighters, senators, and ibankers analogous here?
    They're analogous in that they're ins utions predominated by men.

    I am not surprised enlisted females get raped more frequently than civilians but that does not mean the assumption of risk is at all applicable.

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    If we don't have volunteered military to the extent that we do, we would have a draft implemented. I don't know if and I doubt the wars go on for as long as they have/had, but I think a draft would be put in place. I thank them out of selfishness.

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    You're a dumbass if you think soldiers both active and retired don't care what civilians think of them and the job they do. Just think of how it affected during the Vietnam War and the War in Iraq and compare that to how civilians treated soldiers during WWII. It's a morale boost for soldiers if civilians show support for them and care or at least pretend to care.

    There are soldiers in the Middle East risking their lives so you can jack off to godaddy.com commercials. Have some in' respect.

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    No one in the middle east poses a threat to my freedom to jack off to godaddy.com commercials. The fact they're raping and pillaging a few backwards Islamic countries doesn't deserve my respect.

    The reason they were treated better during WWII is because WWII was the last legitimate war America fought in where the military actually protected our freedom. Every war since then has been political bull .

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    They're analogous in that they're ins utions predominated by men.

    I am not surprised enlisted females get raped more frequently than civilians but that does not mean the assumption of risk is at all applicable.
    Not really. They don't fetishize violence and masculinity the way the military does. But your right, saying "she joined the military so we can rape her" wouldn't fly in court. That being said, if some chick is that concerned about not getting raped, she should consider other options besides the armed forced.

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    Not really. They don't fetishize violence and masculinity the way the military does. But your right, saying "she joined the military so we can rape her" wouldn't fly in court. That being said, if some chick is that concerned about not getting raped, she should consider other options besides the armed forced.
    I can agree with that. At the same time, I can also say that women should be able to join the military with reasonable expectation that she will not be raped at a higher rate than a civilian and should she be raped, she should enjoy the same protections as civilians.

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    Saying that every soldier is harming innocents in the Middle East is no different than Bubba saying that every Middle Easterner is a terrorist.

    DoK, do you go up to veterans and active servicemen and spit in their faces? I'm just curious because you're kind of a toward the military. I mean you're en led to your opinion but I would advise against talking to veterans and active servicemen because they might beat the out of you and/or kill you.

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    I can agree with that. At the same time, I can also say that women should be able to join the military with reasonable expectation that she will not be raped at a higher rate than a civilian and should she be raped, she should enjoy the same protections as civilians.
    Of course. We're not saying anything profound here, but what is and what should be seldom overlap.

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    Seeing that it gets a response from you every time, I'd say it's working (even though I'm saying it to just spread my knowledge, not get a rise).
    Yeah it's weird how being vile and cowardly annoy me.

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    Yes. And stats back it up.
    What stats?

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    I would advise against talking to veterans and active servicemen because they might beat the out of you and/or kill you.
    They would beat the out of me and kill me? I thought these were honorable people I'm supposed to respect?

    And you ignored my main point. Absolutely NONE of the soldiers currently in the middle east are protecting my freedom in any way. As someone who's so against drone wars and involvement in middle eastern affairs, you should know that the middle east does not pose any threat to american freedom.

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    Saying that every soldier is harming innocents in the Middle East is no different than Bubba saying that every Middle Easterner is a terrorist.

    DoK, do you go up to veterans and active servicemen and spit in their faces? I'm just curious because you're kind of a toward the military. I mean you're en led to your opinion but I would advise against talking to veterans and active servicemen because they might beat the out of you
    That's why he does it online
    and/or kill you.
    Seriously?

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    They would beat the out of me and kill me? I thought these were honorable people I'm supposed to respect?

    And you ignored my main point. Absolutely NONE of the soldiers currently in the middle east are protecting my freedom in any way. As someone who's so against drone wars and involvement in middle eastern affairs, you should know that the middle east does not pose any threat to american freedom.
    Where are you getting your information from?

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