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nothing about spurs, eh? we have an nba forum
Zach Lowe recently wrote an article about Rudy Gay and the possibility that he could be traded before the deadline. Lowe also mentions several teams that could trade for him and the rammications on both the Grizzlies and the other team involved.
Entire article here (Great Read)
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...e-will-he-land
Excerpts for people who don't feel like reading a really lengthy but very interesting article.
"A lot has changed since the Grizzlies started the season scoring at a top-10 rate and looking like a legitimate le contender. Their offense has stalled out, falling to 19th
in points per 100 possessions, and three other Western Conference contenders — the Spurs, Clippers, and Thunder — have settled in at a slightly higher level than
Memphis. If Memphis can only squeeze a league-average offense out of this group, they’ll grade out as more of an “absolutely everything has to go right” fringe contender
than a true le threat."
Minnesota Timberwolves
"Minnesota has plenty of cushion between its current cap level and the luxury tax. They also have Andrei Kirilenko, a tweener forward on a semi-expiring $9.8 million deal,
and a bunch of interesting pieces in the $4 million-$5 million range. It’s very easy to build a Minny-Memphis trade around Kirilenko/Gay that gets Memphis under the tax
and provides either an intriguing high lottery pick (Derrick Williams) or a useful guard to round out the Grizz’s rotation (Luke Ridnour, J.J. Barea)."
Milwaukee Bucks
"The Grizz need some creativity off the bench, and they have plenty of defensive stalwarts to cover for one sieve. A package of Ellis and Doron Lamb works and gets
Memphis under the tax. The Bucks could put seldom-used Tobias Harris in Lamb’s spot, giving Memphis a promising small forward and opening up the wing a bit more for
Gay."
Boston Celtics
Houston, Phoenix, and Cleveland are the only teams with major cap room, and any of the three could appear as a facilitator if Memphis does move Gay.
A package of Green, Courtney Lee, and Avery Bradley works, though it only saves Memphis about $1.4 million in salary Memphis might be able to cut the rest by salary-
dumping Marreese Speights or Bayless later (Speights isn’t trade-eligible until Jan. 15 and can veto any deal), and they could sell at least Lee and Bradley as helpful pieces
that fill needs now and going forward. Replace Green with the cheaper Brandon Bass, and Boston would have to work a lot harder — sending out more players, and
involving more teams — in order to find a deal. Paul Pierce for Gay works straight-up, but it’s sacrilege and does not save Memphis any tax money this season."
The Atlanta Hawks, Toronto Raptors, & Utah Jazz are all mentioned as strong possibles (All three happen to be teams that keep coming up in trade talk around this forum) He also mentions 5 or 6 teams with long shots at acquiring Gay including the Clippers.
The Grizzlies have struggled recently and look to be less and less likely to win a top 3 seed and more likely to battle with the Warriors for playoff position in the 1st round (like last season where the Grizzlies lost in the 1st round as the 4th seed to the 5th seed Clippers)
The Spurs are 5-0 against the Grizzlies since being upset in the 1st round of the playoffs in 2010.
Last edited by cd021; 01-06-2013 at 03:27 PM.
nothing about spurs, eh? we have an nba forum
That's bad for us, Grizzlies will be better...
You read the post right? because I mentioned the spurs in the post.
Editing a mention in doesn't really count.
Gay is liked by purveyors of old school stats like ppg. He's a volume shooter who isn't very efficient.
Honestly, they should have traded him after upsetting us in 2011. Cleveland allegedly offered the #1 pick. They could have traded him last summer, and kept Mayo who is a better offensive player. Now, they've lost Mayo, and are finally figuring out that Gay isn't a franchise guy, or even a premier scorer.
Mayo wasn't a Hollins guy, despite the fact that he's a better three point threat. Guess Memphis hates spacing (and no surprise, they went 12-2 when Ellington, Conley, and Bayless all hit 3s).
You must of read it before i fixed some of the errors and added to it. My bad
If it wasn't for the Grizzlies already having a loaded frontcourt, Paul Gasol for Rudy Gay would be hilarious.
Memphis is a better team without Gay. The guy makes some of the worst decisions on the offensive end of the court.
Very overrated/dumb player.
Did you see the block by Rudy Gay in the Phoenix Suns game last night? He volleyball blocked a shot waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay into the stands - goaltending was called! What the heck was he thinking?!?!?! Didn't know whether the shot would miss or not, and he purposely slapped it 10 rows up - I like his game, but dude makes some SERIOUS mental mistakes. He needs a Duncan type as a father figure, I guess, but I'm not wanting to mess with our team chemistry.
Gay is not a bad player (decent defender also), but he needs too many touches for a system like the Grizz'.
He needs too many touches in ANY system. He's not efficient as a scorer.
TBH, we can only hope that Leonard once develops into something Gay is right now, both sides of the floor...
spurs have nothing grizz wants, unless its duncan or parker....
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Y! Sources: Memphis, Phoenix engaged in trade discussions on Rudy Gay. http://tinyurl.com/bdopadj
Memphis will miss Gay if they him away. He might be a ball-hog but without him and Mayo, Grizzlies just won't have enough offensive firepower.
For Spurs, it's changing their landscape. Before the season, Memphis and Lakers were the two teams that could really out-powered Spurs in the paint. While it's too soon to write Lakers off, they might turn quickly as a non-factor for this season. Memphis will be weaker without Gay. The need for Spurs to get another quality low post defensive bigman could disappear.
Hollinger has always been low on Gay and high on Dudley. If that's the trade that happens, you can bet he played a big role in it.
Honestly, I think it probably hurts the Spurs a little bit against the Grizzlies. Leonard was built to guard Gay. More touches for Randolph and Gasol isn't good news for the Spurs.
Although I agree with Bruno that trading Gay for Dudley would make the Grizzlies weaker overall. It's difficult to win nowadays if you have no perimeter scoring threats.
While it may seem counter intuitive to say the Spurs could use some more offense, if his price is just a Dudley type player, would it not make sense to make a pitch? Spurs, while a very good offensive team, still need a guy who can create for himself - especially when TP is game planned against and effecively removed from the game (as in the OKC series). Given, Gay has a rather large contract, is it just too much to spend on a guy like Gay even though the price seems to be right?
Also, I know PHX is under the cap, but a deal with just Dudley won't work. They will still need to add about ~6-7M for the trade to work no?
The last time the Spurs traded for a perimeter player who needs quite some touches to be effective, it didn't go down all that well. Just sayin' ...
Yes, they will, but the net result will be to get Memphis under the luxury tax. Getting under the tax is a major part of Memphis' motivation to trade Gay. The Spurs can't help them accomplish that. As best I can tell, Phoenix and Houston are the only two teams that can.
1. "Just Dudley" is selling him short. He's an above average small forward signed for three more years at $4.2M per season -- a very modest number. He has a higher PER than Gay and his TS% is elite this season. The Spurs would have to include Leonard or Splitter to match an offer built around Dudley.
2. Gay would be a bad fit on the Spurs. There are only a small amount of touches once the Big 3 eat their share. And the better TD and Manu play, the smaller that number will become. Gay would likely cut into touches for the Big 3, which wouldn't help the offense since he's such a low efficiency player. Even if TP is gameplaned against, I'd rather take my chances on TD and Manu. Gay has chemistry-buster written all over him for the Spurs.
3. Yeah, Gay's contract is too big for what his role on the Spurs would entail. Plus, his defense would be a step backwards for this team, especially since they don't have someone like Tony Allen who can erase a lot of perimeter mistakes.
I wasn't trying to slight Dudley, I like his game. Very good role player, very good 3 point shooter and by all accounts will fit in and do what you ask of him. I definitely understand the touches (see Jefferson, Richard) the difference being that I feel Gay, unlike RJ could/would actually want to step up in the event of Manu going down with injury or TP being triple teamed. Plus, he's an elite athelte (don't know how he's performed at PF in small ball line ups, but might be an option).
Overall I agree with your assesment. Especially defensively and the contract. Another question you would have to ask yourself is what happens beyond this season. With the Spurs and Manu, plus potential cap space, would they care to sign another big name player to keep going or will they bring back the same team. If Manu is considering retiring, a bird in the hand may be more than two in the bush (perhaps not for a player like Gay since we have Kawhi, but the overall philosophy).
For sure - that wasn't the angle I was thinking though when I posted that (although it's a great point). My angle is that it can't just be Dudley if it's a deal straight up with PHX. It will likely include someone like Gortat or Frye.
Thats probably a good trade for both teams. Getting a guy like Dudley will be a good fit for Memphis since he will make defenses pay for collapsing on Z-Bo and gasol. Gasol being a great passer also caters to Dudley's shooting ability.
Gay will help Phoenix because they need something on that offense, and he'd fit in well along with Dragic and Gortat.
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