RGIII vs Russell Wilson vs Andrew Luck

[JMarkJohns]

It means a good bit more in the long run than a playoff win, per the Sanchez comparison elsewhere.

[Avante]

Your rationale is "they won, so he must've played the role well!" A number of years ago I remember the Texans were outgained by 400 yds against the Steelers, but won 24-6 despite 33 passing yds from David Carr. I take it "he played his role well," amirite?

Stop ignoring the fact that RW had a great season. Give me the name of a QB who did more in his rookie season. Love to see it!

[Avante]

It means a good bit more in the long run than a playoff win, per the Sanchez comparison elsewhere.

What QB had a better rookie season?

[DPG21920]

Luck.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Did Matt Schaub play his role well against the Bengals?

[Avante]

Avante and Weebo - is Vince Young a good QB? Look at his w/l record and doing what his team needs him to do.

Vince Young sucks.

[weebo]

Adding the proper perspective that a QB who's system selects the safest plays at the most opportune times isn't diminishing, it's adding context that justifies the argument that its easier to put up stats when you're in an ideal system with strong balance, great defense and not asked to throw the ball 7/10 plays a game in situations that dictate throwing, where defenses tee-off on you, or as an injured QB not even cleared by the teams doctor.

You don't even have to look hard in this thread to see that Avante and your opinion are basically saying what I've been saying; that Wilson is a quality game manager capable of some nice plays within his lesser offensive role as defenses key in to stop Lynch, and who gets to benefit from significantly shorter fields from his dominant defense. He simply doesn't carry the burden of responsibility that Luck and Griffin do within their systems, specifically Luck since everyone knows he's throwing 7-8/10 plays due to a ty running game.

No he doesn't carry that burden because his team doesn't need him to be Tom Brady. That shouldn't discredit his performance. Also, for being an after thought for most of the year it was RW that got his team to the second round.

I've been following Luck all year long and RGIII for a big part of the sea on and knew very little of RW. I must say he may not be in the same league as those two in pure talent but this kid is a gamer. Who knows what kind of pro he'll be from here on out but today he can say he's the only rookie QB still in the PO's.

[Avante]

Luck.

No he didn't!

What are you looking at?

[JMarkJohns]

Opportunistic game manager, is it, is all...

Good player, better system, per the zombie Matt Hasselbeck beating the defending champ Saints in the playoffs allowing his dominant running game a defense do the heavy lifting.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Stop ignoring the fact that RW had a great season. Give me the name of a QB who did more in his rookie season. Love to see it!

Answers my questions and I shall answers yours. If not, go away.

[DPG21920]

Vince Young sucks.

30-17 as a starter name the QB's with better Win% in the NFL today!

[DPG21920]

No he doesn't carry that burden because his team doesn't need him to be Tom Brady. That shouldn't discredit his performance. Also, for being an after thought for most of the year it was RW that got his team to the second round.

I've been following Luck all year long and RGIII for a big part of the sea on and knew very little of RW. I must say he may not be in the same league as those two in pure talent but this kid is a gamer. Who knows what kind of pro he'll be from here on out but today he can say he's the only rookie QB still in the PO's.

Are you that dense? He should be. The only way he wouldn't be the only rookie QB in the playoffs is if he screwed it up. RG and Luck would have had to win the game for their teams (and RG3 got hurt ). Huge difference.

[weebo]

Guys, I don't know about all of you but I'm beginning to think this guy Avante doesn't really know football. Same with Weebo-wobble.

Please explain. Thanks.

[Avante]

Opportunistic game manager, is it, is all...

Good player, better system, per the zombie Matt Hasselbeck beating the defending champ Saints in the playoffs allowing his dominant running game a defense do the heavy lifting.

Give me the name of a rookie QB Who accomplished more in that rookie season than RW?

[DPG21920]

Please explain. Thanks.

Just did in every question you were asked. You're welcome.

[Avante]

30-17 as a starter name the QB's with better Win% in the NFL today!

I'm talking abour....rookie....QB's

[DPG21920]

You said VY sucks. I said he's 30-17. Did he not play his role?

[Avante]

Guys, I don't know about all of you but I'm beginning to think this guy Avante doesn't really know football. Same with Weebo-wobble.

Oh no I can just list every QB who ever played in the NFL. I ask you questions you could never answer GOOGLE all ya want.

The thing is you don't know and it's very obvious.

[tlongII]

Opportunistic game manager, is it, is all...

Good player, better system, per the zombie Matt Hasselbeck beating the defending champ Saints in the playoffs allowing his dominant running game a defense do the heavy lifting.

Hasselbeck beat the Saints in Seattle. The Seahawks beat everybody there. He never won a road playoff game.

[DPG21920]

Anyone can list, doesn't mean you know the game.

[JMarkJohns]

No he doesn't carry that burden because his team doesn't need him to be Tom Brady. That shouldn't discredit his performance. Also, for being an after thought for most of the year it was RW that got his team to the second round.

I've been following Luck all year long and RGIII for a big part of the sea on and knew very little of RW. I must say he may not be in the same league as those two in pure talent but this kid is a gamer. Who knows what kind of pro he'll be from here on out but today he can say he's the only rookie QB still in the PO's.

Sanchez was once the only rookie QB left in the playoffs. He just got benched for a third stringer.

And, yes, decreased responsibility holds a large bearing over how a player is typically received. The Colts never protected Luck once, never used kid gloves. They threw him the play book, and called 60 drop backs a game. Wilson never came close to that, cherry picked stats amongst defensive and rushing dominance, and still needed a refs up call to equal the 11 wins a coachless Luck put up with far less overall talent.

Wilson is good, but opportunistic because he has the luxury to not need to heave the ball 50 times a game, or carry an offense via his legs. He had the most ideal rookie QB situation I've maybe ever seen. Credit to him for learning from his terrible play early and improving, but he had everything to succeed and did so.

[Avante]

You said VY sucks. I said he's 30-17. Did he not play his role?

Where did I saw RW was playing a role?

[HI-FI]

No he doesn't carry that burden because his team doesn't need him to be Tom Brady. That shouldn't discredit his performance. Also, for being an after thought for most of the year it was RW that got his team to the second round.

I've been following Luck all year long and RGIII for a big part of the sea on and knew very little of RW. I must say he may not be in the same league as those two in pure talent but this kid is a gamer. Who knows what kind of pro he'll be from here on out but today he can say he's the only rookie QB still in the PO's.

what's funny is all the complaints I see on RW's success are the things I've said about Brady in the beginning, having a smaller burden compared to Peyton, managing games and letting the defense carry the load. in the end, Brady took advantage of his situation and it's possible RW does as well. I don't think he'll ever be as successful as Brady but I've watched enough of Seah s games this year to think he's a gamer as well.

[weebo]

Are you that dense? He should be. The only way he wouldn't be the only rookie QB in the playoffs is if he screwed it up. RG and Luck would have had to win the game for their teams (and RG3 got hurt ). Huge difference.

Then what do you want him to do to be in the same class as Luck and RGIII in your eyes...throw for 400 yds. and 5 TD's? Rush for 150 yds? You're a ing moron. He doesn't do that because his team doesn't need that from him. Could he put up big numbers? I don't know because he hasn't been asked to do that but since you're a got know it all please enlighten the board with your knowledge.

[JMarkJohns]

Hasselbeck beat the Saints in Seattle. The Seahawks beat everybody there. He never won a road playoff game.

Yes. But he didn't play an injured rookie, and had a good defense and great running game that carried him, similar to what Wilson accomplished in the system, but with a better defense, better receivers.