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The Memphis Grizzlies and Phoenix Suns are engaged in trade talks centered on forward Rudy Gay, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The Grizzlies have been shopping Gay to multiple teams, and found an interested trade partner with the Suns, sources said.
There's no framework of a possible deal in place, but the Grizzlies have expressed a strong desire that any package involving Gay include Suns forward Jared Dudley and future first-round draft picks, sources said.
In an effort to avoid paying luxury tax in the short term, as well as get off the $16.8 million and $19.3 million owed Gay in the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons, new Memphis management has aggressively shopped Gay. The Grizzlies have made proposals on Gay to several teams, front-office sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Memphis just doing what they do. Giving away their good players for jack .
Some people might be in favor of this trade, considering Gay is shooting 40 percent this year, but one thing these grind-it-out teams usually desperately need are perimeter scorers since they can be prone to scoring droughts.
Another great move by the Memphis front office
And I'm not sure it's altogether wise for the Suns to be giving up first round picks since they're going to be in rebuilding mode for the next two years.
A more accurate le might be: Grizz trying to dump Rudy Gay.
The Suns have done some stupid stuff since Kerr left, but taking on Gay's contract while giving up first round picks for the privilege of helping Memphis out of their luxury tax would go to the top of the list.
So it's gonna be Clips vs Grizz in the WFC.
With or without Gay Suns are going anywhere in the near future. So price should be small. I wouldnt give lottery pick for him, especially when Grizzlies are dumping him for cheaper players.
The Suns' FO is pretty much emotionally attached to the idea that building through the draft is horrible and since Babby + Blanks have an inferiority complex, they get extremely entrenched in ideals that they support, even if those ideals have led to horrible trades.Memphis just doing what they do. Giving away their good players for jack .
Some people might be in favor of this trade, considering Gay is shooting 40 percent this year, but one thing these grind-it-out teams usually desperately need are perimeter scorers since they can be prone to scoring droughts.
Another great move by the Memphis front office
I say this because I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the Suns give away their 1st round pick this year unprotected in a Rudy Gay trade in which case Memphis makes a decent trade. The Steve Nash trade was the exception to a rebuilding team that's otherwise exhibited an odd willingness to trade draft picks for a short term bandaid.
Babby and Blanks might know something we don't that if they can't turn the Suns around by next season they're out so there might be a willingness of them to start going for broke.
The Suns' already ed any cap space they might have with several re ed contracts so adding Gay's deal wouldn't bother me too much (it would probably bother Sarver though). Them giving away their 1st round pick this year because the front office is still in denial about them being a rebuilding team is what would make this top Babby's list of re ed decisions.
I'd have no problem giving up 2013 picks for much lesser players than Gay.
I think it's also in' stupid to try to dump Gay right now in the regular season. Memphis, for all my criticisms of the antiquated style they play, could be a dangerous playoff team and possibly a dark horse contender. Why break up a contending team at this point and not wait until after the post-season? If the Grizzlies make some noise and Gay has a good playoff run, his value could sky-rocket.
Good move for Memphis
they were an elite team when they shot the ball above their career average
now that theyve cooled down they were at .500 for december
too easy to just pack the paint and dare that team to shoot
trading gay for some bench depth and more importantly shooters will make memphis elite
dudley is a decent defender and solid shooter
they might be doing a 3 team trade to match salaries and stockpile more shooters
Yeah, cause our picks would be in the low 20s
I mean I'd have no problem moving 2013 picks for Gay in Phoenix's situation, considering how ty a draft this is going to be.Yeah, cause our picks would be in the low 20s
From the Suns' perspective, it would be stupid. They currently have the 6th overall pick and there's no way any other team is offering an asset that valuable for a player Memphis has made it obvious they're trying to unload.
If I had to guess, I'd say even Lon Babby knows how stupid he would be to trade their unprotected pick for Gay, but it wouldn't be a surprise at all and would be completely within character for Babby to do it.
Which was my point. Teams, like Phoenix, that are well under the cap right now, need to be looking to sell/rent that cap space at a premium to teams that are desperate to get under the tax. Remember the Suns paid 2 first round picks to Seattle in order to unload Thomas into their cap space. By all accounts, Memphis is desperate to get under the tax. There are only a few teams that can get them there, with Phoenix being one of them. No need to send draft choices to acquire Gay.
Tbh, Gay for Dudley seems like a lateral move at best for the Grizz, and they still lack a legitimate closer.... Clips/Spurs in the WCF, imho...
They've come to the conclusion that Gay doesn't help them win. They may be right, they may be wrong, but it's not like the notion that Gay is an overpaid chucker hasn't been raised before. I see your point, but a trade as contemplated in the OP is much worse for Phoenix than it is for Memphis. At least IMO.
Jerry West doin' work
It's like they're wannabe Mitch Kupchak's over there
Seems to me to be a bad trade for both teams. This is probably the best Memphis team since '11. Perhaps traditional playoff basketball returns to form this year (rebounds, best low post game = rings and all that) and Memphis's style proves effective and they go on a run. But obviously Memphis's owners are more committed to saving money than winning anything, which is understandable from a business perspective, but sucks ass if you're a fan of the team.
Unless they see something in this Ellington kid who just dropped 26 last night.
OK then I agree there. My only disagreement is using the Seattle/Phoenix trade as it's an unrealistic example you'll only find when there's a rare combination of A) rookie general manager with little to no authority at the time, B) coach who openly says, "I'm not here to develop players," which makes draft picks pointless, and C) owner who wants to save money and gave the head coach mentioned in B) way too much control
I agree that he's overpaid, but a great defensive/offensively challenged team like Memphis needs all the scoring they can get, especially from a wing who can create his own shot like Gay.
But like said in a previous post, maybe they see something in Ellington. And if Memphis makes this move and things miraculously work out for them like they did with the Gasol trade, I'll have to give their FO props.
It would definitely be a bad trade for Memphis in the short term. Even in 2011 they lost a close series to OKC largely because they had no wing scoring and had long droughts on offense.It's like they're wannabe Mitch Kupchak's over there
Seems to me to be a bad trade for both teams. This is probably the best Memphis team since '11. Perhaps traditional playoff basketball returns to form this year (rebounds, best low post game = rings and all that) and Memphis's style proves effective and they go on a run. But obviously Memphis's owners are more committed to saving money than winning anything, which is understandable from a business perspective, but sucks ass if you're a fan of the team.
Unless they see something in this Ellington kid who just dropped 26 last night.
Yep. I think they're in win now mode since Z-Bo probably doesn't have very many double-double years left in him. He's one of those type of players who can fall off the cliff in a year.
OK then I agree there. My only disagreement is using the Seattle/Phoenix trade as it's an unrealistic example you'll only find when there's a rare combination of A) rookie general manager with little to no authority at the time, B) coach who openly says, "I'm not here to develop players," which makes draft picks pointless, and C) owner who wants to save money and gave the head coach mentioned in B) way too much control
For sure, the situations are not strictly analogous.
I just believe that Phoenix possesses a valuable asset (cap space) that can be sold at any time up to the trade deadline. They shouldn't have to give up other valuable assets (draft picks) in order to sell a commodity that figures to be in high demand.
I wish Grant Hill were still with the Suns just so he could be part of this deal.
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