Suns: Suns trying to get Rudy Gay

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

A big problem with Rudy Gay's offense is Lionell Hollins. He's a great cheerleader/motivator who got Memphis to start playing defense, but he's an absolutely horrible X's and O's offensive coach which leads to a lot of possessions where Rudy Gay goes 1 on 5.

[Mel_13]

I agree that he's overpaid, but a great defensive/offensively challenged team like Memphis needs all the scoring they can get, especially from a wing who can create his own shot like Gay.

But like said in a previous post, maybe they see something in Ellington. And if Memphis makes this move and things miraculously work out for them like they did with the Gasol trade, I'll have to give their FO props.

One other thing. Hollinger now has a voice in their front office. Take a look at how Dudley and Gay compare in FG%, 3P%, TS%, eFG%, and PER. Plus his total salary through 2015-16 is what Gay gets this season alone.

If this trade goes through, it will be the first step in applying Hollinger's math to a real NBA team. It seems like the the new owner is ready to give it a try.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

For sure, the situations are not strictly analogous.

I just believe that Phoenix possesses a valuable asset (cap space) that can be sold at any time up to the trade deadline. They shouldn't have to give up other valuable assets (draft picks) in order to sell a commodity that figures to be in high demand.

Well, to that point, the Phoenix Suns possessed a valuable asset in Kurt Thomas who was an expiring contract and still an elite post defender entering the 07-08 season. There was clearly a market for him as San Antonio traded a 1st rounder for him yet the Suns traded him as if he was a giant liability. The Suns have a habit of confusing their assets and liabilities

[Mel_13]

Well, to that point, the Phoenix Suns possessed a valuable asset in Kurt Thomas who was an expiring contract and still an elite post defender entering the 07-08 season. There was clearly a market for him as San Antonio traded a 1st rounder for him yet the Suns traded him as if he was a giant liability. The Suns have a habit of confusing their assets and liabilities

Yep. That combo helped build the Presti legend. Phoenix gave him two first rounders to unload Thomas and the Spurs gave him one more to take Thomas off his hands. Created three first round picks out of some temporary cap space.

[timvp]

Gay for Dudley would make the Grizzlies tougher for the Spurs. Leonard locks up Gay pretty well and him taking contested shots is almost always better than whatever Gasol and/or Randolph create.

That said, it has to lower Memphis' ceiling and probably hurts them in a majority of other matchups.

[Riddler]

All a smokescreen for Gay to the Lakers. Wouldn't be surprised at all.

[thunderfan]

Gay is always pretty trigger happy against OKC, with limited success. He's medicore beyond 18 feet. Dudley is easily a better long range shooter. I don't necessarily see the trade doing much for Memphis's chances this year either way.

[Seventyniner]

Which was my point. Teams, like Phoenix, that are well under the cap right now, need to be looking to sell/rent that cap space at a premium to teams that are desperate to get under the tax. Remember the Suns paid 2 first round picks to Seattle in order to unload Thomas into their cap space. By all accounts, Memphis is desperate to get under the tax. There are only a few teams that can get them there, with Phoenix being one of them. No need to send draft choices to acquire Gay.

Exactly. The Suns should be asking for a pick, not giving one up. Memphis is the one motivated to deal.

[Pelicans78]

This trade would help Memphis in the regular season since Dudley can play off the ball and let the bigs and Conley create, but may hurt them playoff time since they would lack a reliable go to scorer on the perimeter.

[Mal]

All a smokescreen for Gay to the Lakers. Wouldn't be surprised at all.

For older Gasol ? Arent Memphis planning to go under the cup ?

[ffadicted]

I mean I'd have no problem moving 2013 picks for Gay in Phoenix's situation, considering how ty a draft this is going to be.

tbqhimhoiimssm

This is gonna be legendarily bad

[Brunodf]

Rudy Gay is a cancer. Solid move by the Grizzlies

[Clipper Nation]

Tbh, as inefficient and unclutch as Rudy Gay is, I'm not seeing how getting rid of their only player who can consistently create his own shot makes the Grizzlies significantly better... that team badly needs shooters, and they'd be getting rid of their only major shooting/scoring threat....

[Seventyniner]

Tbh, as inefficient and unclutch as Rudy Gay is, I'm not seeing how getting rid of their only player who can consistently create his own shot makes the Grizzlies significantly better... that team badly needs shooters, and they'd be getting rid of their only major shooting/scoring threat....

It's mainly a salary dump. They grossly overpaid Gay and now want out from under the contract.

[DPG21920]

Tbh, as inefficient and unclutch as Rudy Gay is, I'm not seeing how getting rid of their only player who can consistently create his own shot makes the Grizzlies significantly better... that team badly needs shooters, and they'd be getting rid of their only major shooting/scoring threat....

They aren't getting significantly better - they just likely aren't getting much worse and saving serious money.

[mavs>spurs]

They aren't getting significantly better - they just likely aren't getting much worse and saving serious money.

i'll bet you would like to get Gay

[da_suns_fan]

A more accurate le might be: Grizz trying to dump Rudy Gay.

The Suns have done some stupid stuff since Kerr left, but taking on Gay's contract while giving up first round picks for the privilege of helping Memphis out of their luxury tax would go to the top of the list.

This. Rudy Gay doesnt do anything except miss a lot of shots. Jared Dudley is a very smart player who has a very cheap contract.

I wouldnt trade Dudley for Gay straight up. Screw the draft pick.

[Latarian Milton]

ain't gonna make much difference to the grizz either way, they're a playoff team with 2nd round as their ceiling.

[da_suns_fan]

Rudy gay is owed 17 million next year and 19 million the year after that.

that .

[Chinook]

I can't see how any trade Phoenix makes can not have Beasley's contract going out. I could see the deal being Beasley (or Dudley if the Suns are stupid), Frye's contract and maybe a protected first being the deal.

[SpursIndonesia]

If the Suns do this, i think it's more related to creating good entertainment & keep the fans on the seat, rather than a serious compe ive based decision (especially if they're even willing to part with any future draft pick). IMHO, there are plenty season ticket holders who would rather see Gay's chucking and occasionally high flying dunk than the boring game of Dudley or guys like Scola & Gortat.

[Jacob1983]

This cracks me up every time.

[racm]

Rudy gay is owed 17 million next year and 19 million the year after that.

that .

He makes more money and is less clutch than Tony.