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I'm sure they could sign a scrub like JAnderson and he'd put up better numbers. I guess they see potential...
Austin Rivers' averages this season:
Season Team G GS MPG FG% 3p% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 12-13 NOH 33 22 26.7 0.337 0.350 0.565 0.3 2.0 2.2 2.6 0.6 0.2 1.4 1.9 6.9
How does a scrub like this average close to 27 minutes of playing time a game? Even Bonner and Blair could put up better stats than that, if given the same amount of pt. Shooting 34% from the field and 56% from the free throw line as a guard? I know we're only half way through this season, but I'm pretty confident that Rivers will end up one of the worst NBA busts since Kwame Brown.
I'm sure they could sign a scrub like JAnderson and he'd put up better numbers. I guess they see potential...
Were Spurs seen partying and drinking in New OrL the night before the game?
Tony Parker was a letdown for sure, made even worse when his opposite number ran the floor perfectly. Vasquez's playmaking was a stark contrast to Tony's who's was of the last resort kind. I mean there was plays where Tony just held the ball too long.
Can't agree about the Tiago defense though. Thought his interior D was pretty damn good and in combination with Tim stopped a lot of easy points in the paint. The perimeter guys simply got burnt with vasquez and Strickland doing most of the damage.
Spurs get beat on the boards quite often because of team defense they play. When you got rotating bigs covering guard penetration or patrolling the paint, you are left with guys like Parker, Neal or Green rotating to cover opposing bigs. Pop also plays a lof smallball which kind amplifies it when you got traditonal SF playing PF. There's numerous examples from last nights game where you couldn't expect Tiago to grab that rebound after helping out on D. Unless you expect him to "grow" Dwight Howard ability. Couldn't beleive my eyes when i saw Ryan Anderson defended by Neal and you had Diaw at center. With that line-up the gamble paid off for the spurs, although Pop did go with it too long.
Overall im glad to see the spurs prioritize team defense over rebounds. Once kawai and sjax get back into a groove the improvement will come.
Last edited by Slippy; 01-08-2013 at 09:37 AM.
Too much scrubs in this team:Green, Neal, Blair, Bonner, De Colo, Mills... Green and Neal are third string players, the rest almost doesn't count.
Bonner, De Colo and Mills would be second string players on mid-tier teams like the Hornets or the Trail Blazers. In fact, I'd even put Mills and De Colo higher than Neal on the point guard talent depth chart...
De Colo and Mills did some bench blowout. Neal can hit clutch threes if he has to do only it. Danny Green hits lots of threes but when some step up is needed, he simply disappear. Scrub.
I haven't watched the game but it looks like Spurs came flat and Pop still isn't done with playing the mad scientist. At least, I hope there will have a silver lining to this loss which will be to have Spurs extra motivated to beat Lakers Wednesday.
I still find a little weird that Blair doesn't even play in garbage time. I don't really have a convincing explanation of that.
Almost every nba player can shot 40% when is wide open, Manu is a 70% 3pt shooter when is wide open.
Not true, tbh.
No he's not.
"his efficiency from the corner three (70%) clearly helped the team, resulting in a 17.6 net rating"
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2013/1/4/3836306/manu-ginobili-is-rounding-into-shape
I don't have acess to nba.com inside stats, but i also remember that last season some annuncer talked about how Manu was shooting 70% in open 3s and they should contest his shots...
I was at the game and like everyone is saying it was just one of those nights, you could tell from tipoff. On top of that every ugly piece of shot the pelicans put up somehow went in. It's like they say the sun even shines on a dogs ass some nights.
Oh and eric gordan is one luck-chuck mother er looked like rex chapman out there heaving shots up.
Against the bottom feeder teams?
That link you provided says that Manu shot 70% on corner three-pointers from the 11th thru 20th game of the season. That doesn't have anything to do with what percentage he shoots on open three-pointers.
The best three-point shooter last year when open was Kawhi Leonard, who -- IIRC -- shot something like 48-50%.
As opposed to the Hornets ...
Just confirmed what i said: Almost every nba player can shot 40% when is wide open.
But are u sure that wasn't Manu?
First, a caveat: no way I'm treating Manu and Jack as the same in the following.
To me, you may argue that Manu at the beginning of the season needs to play more minutes to get into basketball shape. That's because Manu was looking physically quite good for his age and normal expectation. He simply needs to play more to show whether he is still good basketball-wise at this stage.
But Jack doesn't even look good without ball, heck, he simply doesn't even move well. What he needs FIRST is to discipline himself into better physical shape, instead of occupying too many valuable minutes. I'm not arguing for not playing him at all, but as others said, if his physical condition looks like this, he doesn't deserve to play more than sporadic minutes.
Look up the word inferred.
I knew you'd say that, but we're barely over two months into the season, so every game is relatively recent.I guess you have a different interpretation for the word "recent", tbh.
The defensive rebounding wasn't too bad against the Clippers. Against the Thunder, it was adequate in the season opener (and it was very strong in the playoffs last year).
You were beating the "defensive rebounding is a problem" drum all of last season and it turned out to be a strength in the playoffs. Considering that a lot of the issues this year could be traced back to that period when the Spurs didn't have a small forward, I don't yet see a need for concern.
It was poor against both; stop sugar coating it.
Honestly, they flat out got lucky that it didn't kill them last season. With Splitter's, Diaw's and Green's drop off, there's clearly cause for concern.
The same someone who not long ago said "two starting SF's is not enough"? Don't even try to weasel your way out of this one.Nostalgia and bias claims work better against someone who hasn't admitted that Jack might be done and that he needs to improve in order to become a competent backup SF.
All I'm saying is I'm not in favor of banishing him to the depths of the bench (Bonner-esque spot minutes or however you want to frame it) because there are reasonable explanations for his slow start. I'm not sure why you are mystified that a guy with a broken finger can't consistently shoot it straight yet.
What "slow start"? He's been this caliber of player for the better part of the past two seasons. Look it up. He couldn't shoot it straight even when healthy.
More excuses. How many games should he be given then? They've had him for the better part of a calendar year.Jack has yet to really get into a rhythm and find a niche yet with the Spurs. Patience is needed. Hastily banishing him at this juncture of the season doesn't make any sense.
And, it might just be me, but if a player stepped up when it was absolutely needed the most last season, I'm going to give him a few extra feet of rope before I close the book on him.
I'd give him that rope in the playoffs, the same way Horry's role increased then. Right now, he should be the clear cut ninth man. They can easily pile a few extra mpg onto the other four wings.
Slippy, that's a terrible excuse. There's no correlation whatsoever between teams defending well not being good defensive rebounding teams.
Thanks for the quick grades, sorry for the late acknowledgement.
Never said their was a correlation in such general terms. That's you going off the deep end again. It's reality in relation to the spurs. You want to a blame an individual for a team issue and coache's instructions . If it helps I'll admit Tiago could take his rebounds more cleanly but you need to see he's doing what he's supposed to do. In fact, he doing a lot better job than Boris and in some aspects better than Tim.
My point was the Spurs are placing team defense as a priority when for the most part of the season they havn't had suitable personell to properly succeed with it.Pop wants his guys thinking like machines on rotations and helping out even if it means sacrificing rebounds from your own man. Kawai and Sjax rounding into form will help bigtime since players are still playing out of posi but right now it's a work in progress. So far this season it's already being acknowledged they are showing signs of improvement on D compared to last season. That's good enough for me .
In the long run going into the play-offs, these guys will be ready.
Aww . I've just got home after a 31 hour shift. I come online to find out we lost to the Hornets? That's ed.
You inferred that there was though.
So you're telling me that the defensive system has drastically changed from this year to last? Because if you're not, then why could they have led the league in defensive rebounding last season, when the system was the same and the personnel was too? Face it, all you're doing is making an excuse.
where are you working at ?
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