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Agreed.
I've confronted a guy breaking into my house before. I only had a knife and chased him off. I went and bought a shotgun. I have guns and I want to keep most of them as I have said time and again. I have sold my flat pistol although I did not come onto here and give a running update on the sale like a gun fanatic. You don't know me at all; I am not an anti-gun liberal no matter how you guys try and paint me as one.
I just see compelling empirical evidence that I have come on here and presented that indicates the efficacy of semiauto bans. I feel strongly that something needs to be done about the gun violence even if I wrestle with the ends justifying the means. I keep asking for numbers because I get tired of people asserting deterrence, bringing up a constant train of any anecdote available, or talk about what they could do in such and such. People lack vision. They cannot see three moves ahead in a chess game much less think about the results of their own action. You guys are proof of that waving guns at strangers on the road and whatnot.
That wasn't a backpedal either. Under my proposal she could have a non-semiautomatic pistol, shotgun or long rifle they can get their hands on. She had a gun that would be illegal but I still maintain that if you cannot defend yourself with a shotgun, rifle, and/or revolver then you have no business with a gun.
Can you defend yourself if you manually have to chamber every round?
Agreed.
"Does that mean more guns does not equal more crime? Seems to be the case."
You can't prove it, so STFU
the guy. Intruders need to be shot dead. Period.
What's wrong? Are you one of the buglers who want guns taken away from law abiding citizens, to make your profession safer?
I think we need to tie one arm behind your back to make it a fair fight with rascal.i hope your wife gets raped because you told her not to buy a gun you stupid
Don't try to explain facts to him. He knows everything...
You agree that cops miss point blank six times in a row commonly? Bloody mouthbreather.
Who said cops miss 6 times in row commonly? I think you just made another Fuzzy strawman. M>S said that cops often miss shots from close range on moving targets when the adrenaline is flowing. Missing shots and missing 6 in a row commonly is not the same thing.
It seems to be your only means of retort, the strawman. You get your home invaded so you go and buy a gun, yet you have the gall to post here about how more guns = more crime. You ing hypocrite bas , your the reason the crime rate is so high, people like you buying guns because you're afraid.
"more guns = more crime"
more guns = more gun deaths
a gun in a house almost doubles the risk of gun suicide and gun homicide in the house
etc, etc, etc.
Random mass shootings are up.
mass shooting aren't the problem. They are media pimped event.
it's the, yawn, nearly 1000 gun deaths, 50x Sandy Hook, nationwide since Sandy Hook
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It's the logical extension from combining teh assertions of and missing point blank and needing more than 6 shots. If it takes you more than 6 shots to stop someone you are doing it wrong. Now regale me with your fear of 4 person home invasions.
Even then I find it laughable that cops might miss multiple times point blank. This isn't Looney Toon's.
Oh, and did I buy a semiautomatic? How one Earth is it hypocritical to support a semiauto ban when my constant refrain is that you can do it with a rifle, shotgun or revolver. So go ahead and stay butthurt but I am living the policy I am proposing.
His assertion that there is a reduction in crime with more guns present is not substantiated. It's not. The closest is a 1997 report that got close to showing it in neighborhoods where people had their CHL but beyond the poor correlation factors there was also the issue of A CHL's nature to work when you take your gun away from home.
I have been trying to get them to discuss on the basis of comparable and measured events. They don't want to play ball. We don't need to wonder why.He may not care if I don't believe him but no one should believe some that cannot proove what they calim. He doesn't even try.
Well keep on living it then, but why the need to try and force your choice of lifestyle on the rest of us law abiding citizens?
Never trust the black ones.
I have told you why I support a semiauto ban and its because I believe it will reduce the number of gun related injury, crime and death in this country just like it has in our NATO allies, Australia and Japan.
You should get some of your fellow gun supporters to post racist cartoons and litanies. They seem like the real law abiding types to just leave alone.
Are there millions more guns owned now compared to ten years ago?
Is gun crime down from ten years ago?
The answer is yes to both. Knowing that how can you say more guns cause more gun crimes? It just simply isn't true.
According to you I can defend myself just as well with the use of a non-semiauto weapon, so does that mean I can also commit crimes as well with the use of a non-semiauto weapon?
Mouse showing an obvious gun lobby advertisement is great and all but snopes points out why your advertisement is bull .
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.aspThe main point to be learned here is that determining the effect of changes in Australia's gun ownership laws and the government's firearm buy-back program on crime rates requires a complex long-term analysis and can't be discerned from the small, mixed grab bag of short-term statistics offered here. And no matter what the outcome of that analysis, the results aren't necessarily applicable to the USA, where laws regarding gun ownership are (and always have been) much different than those in Australia.
Factcheck is much more succinct:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun...-in-australia/Q: Did gun control in Australia lead to more murders there last year?
A: This ‘Gun History Lesson’ is recycled bunk from a decade ago. Murders in Australia actually are down to record lows.
Further here is a comprehensive statistical analysis opposed to the 4 line blurb in an advertisement. Note the study cites other studies to further the point.
http://andrewleigh.org/pdf/GunBuyback_Panel.pdf
the resident conservatives a looooosing it... wishing rapes, blaming black people,.... etc.. par for the course..
I am not a criminal of that ilk so I could not say. Anecdotally, I would say that crime requires the ability to get off more shots considering that cops roam in packs and there will be multiple people most times.
You going to regale us with a fear of a 4 person home invasion?
The United States is not a simple box. You have a nice hypothesis and that's about it, chachi.
Off the cuff if you buy 6 SKS's in Bakersfield but crime goes down in Athens, GA does that meant aht you buying all those guns reduced crime? I am going to go with no.
yeah im more worried about the facts and statistics than your worthless opinion
I've never once said more guns equals less crime, I'm simply stating the facts. More guns have not equaled more crime, and over the time period I'm looking at gun crimes were actually reduced. I never once said more guns caused the reduction in gun crimes. You can not spin the facts to make it more guns equals more gun crime, you are flat out wrong.
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