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    I know the Yale Law Review piece is a long read but it's right there. I did find it amusing that you went to WSJ opeds, the Washington Times and their goldenboy for your position. How much Fox News do you watch?
    I admit, the sources are not the most reputable, shows how little i care. You asked for links proving more guns do not equal more crime, I provided the first three that popped up on google. I'm really not going to waste my time researching well known facts. Find me something in that 120 page pdf that proves your argument that more guns equals more gun crime.


    You can't, you won't, and you will not admit you're wrong. You're boring me now. I've presented simple facts, you expect me to read 120 pages. Sorry, not going to do it when I know for certain gun sales are up and gun crimes are down. You coward you.

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    I think that might qualify as an ad hominem. Sorry you didn't like the article; feel free to look up the stats yourself and let us know what you find, as you've told others to do. Boutons just posted a thread on America's white male problem and nobody said jack, really. Racism!!! Imagine a thread on America's black male problem; it would have as many posts as the Martin/Zimmerman thread, full of more KKK name calling. The race card game is like go fish to gin rummy.

    Since you quoted a different article in response: are the Japanese racist for their policy of strictly limiting immigration to keep Japan Japanese? Because it seems to be working pretty well. I would also say that yes, it is true that the only people on earth who largely don't feel a connection to their race are left wing whites.
    You apparently do not understand why I would be dismissive of a white supremacist site. Okey dokey. I really do not want to discuss race with you.

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    Do you dispute the stats though, at least generally? I don't. Then why has the MSM gone out of their way to put the gun owning white males up front as the ones to be feared, what with their AR-15s and all? (The Alex Jones and Nugent types; surely nobody would dispute this). If white males murder at close to the same rate as the Europeans that we must be compared to, then what gives? Why take that angle? You take that angle to write a narrative. Why disarm the non inner city citizens to stop the inner city gun violence? To stop these mass shootings? You're kid is more likely to drown. You're as likely to get struck by lightening. It's an agenda.

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    I admit, the sources are not the most reputable, shows how little i care. You asked for links proving more guns do not equal more crime, I provided the first three that popped up on google. I'm really not going to waste my time researching well known facts. Find me something in that 120 page pdf that proves your argument that more guns equals more gun crime.


    You can't, you won't, and you will not admit you're wrong. You're boring me now. I've presented simple facts, you expect me to read 120 pages. Sorry, not going to do it when I know for certain gun sales are up and gun crimes are down. You coward you.
    I won't admit that I am wrong? For the last two days you have been telling me to look up if gun sales are going up and if crime has gone down. Today you call me a coward becuase I won't do it. I link a Yale Law Review article that talks about both and now I bore you? man.

    You should read it. It's good stuff. They look at 3 different studies looking at the question and how they controlled for different variables. How it looked at the state and county level and differences in outcome. It at the very least tries to present studies with different conclusions and tries to leave out the editorials.

    You guys do not want to talk about though. I think I am done arguing about gun control. The divide is clear and other people are bringing in eugenics and white supremacy . You've been cool but if I have to read more from DMC linking genetic markers and the concept of race which has no genotype or phenotype I think I will puke. I don't want to see what else crawls out of the woodwork.

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    It at the very least tries to present studies with different conclusions and tries to leave out the editorials.
    Tries isn't good enough. Either it does or it doesn't. It doesn't, accept it.

    You guys do not want to talk about though. I think I am done arguing about gun control. The divide is clear and other people are bringing in eugenics and white supremacy . You've been cool but if I have to read more from DMC linking genetic markers and the concept of race which has no genotype or phenotype I think I will puke. I don't want to see what else crawls out of the woodwork.
    I don't like nor feel the need to bring race in to the discussion when talking about gun control. Gun control facilitates what, which, how many, and to what capacity a law abiding citizen can own. Law abiding citizens are law abiding citizens, race has no part in that. I am concerned with gun control relating to law abiding citizens. You argue that there is no need to protect yourself with a semi-auto, fine, arm yourself as you wish. I prefer to arm myself with a semi-auto, if necessary, it's much more effective. And when it's not being used for self defense, my semi-auto is much more fun to shoot when I went to dump some clips and let some brass fly. Admit it, guns are bad ass, and really fun to shoot. The 2nd amendment guarantees my right to fun. yeah.

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    I have said that I have studied systems and modeling and work with microcontrollers.
    So you program PLC's.

    OK...

    You know don't you that the desk version seldom works in the field. The installation team often has to tweak the code.

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    Looks like you cherry picked which links to respond to as well you coward. I provided the links you asked, now it's your turn to prove that more guns=more gun crimes. I'll be patiently waiting as I clean my extremely dangerous semi-automatic weapons, got a fun weekend of shooting lined up.
    It's that Fuzzy Logic...

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    Lets talk Britain and Australia.
    When you have a culture to compare equal to ours, with so many violent gangs, and problems associated with our southern border, I'll entertain other nation's statistics.

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    So you program PLC's.

    OK...

    You know don't you that the desk version seldom works in the field. The installation team often has to tweak the code.
    PLC. You def are an 80s child.

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    When you have a culture to compare equal to ours, with so many violent gangs, and problems associated with our southern border, I'll entertain other nation's statistics.
    The Cartel wars have now spread here? They don't with us really. You afraid to go to El Paso? San Diego?

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    PLC. You def are an 80s child.
    PLC's are still around. They either don't use ladder logic like the past, and some use microcontroller simulated ladder logic.

    What ever you do, microcontroller simulations is ... BORING...
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    The Cartel wars have now spread here? They don't with us really. You afraid to go to El Paso? San Diego?
    Really...

    Wow. You really are ill informed.

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    You're arguing alone. The task was to show that more guns equals more crime. You've moved the goalposts to "shall issue" which wasn't designed to reduce crime.

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    It's nice to see that the gun homicides per capita went down significantly following the passage of the Brady Bill in 1993 and the assault ban in 1994. Curious why you didn't go back to 1993 on all the figures.
    I see you're moving the goalposts again.

    So you see now that the number of guns owned by private citizens is not necessarily the lever that influences the amount of gun related homicides.

    If you wish to discuss the effects of the Brady Bill, start a new thread.

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    I just gave you a link stating that more guns less crime is not factually correct as to the premise. You asked me to look it up and found a very detailed and exhaustive analysis.
    This is factually incorrect. "Shall issue" does not increase the number of guns. It only allows private citizens to carry concealed. The entire concept of a concealed weapon is that others are not aware. It's design is to mitigate, not to deter. Were it to deter then it would be open carry.

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    Right next to the blame racial minorities for crime article is a link for an article on how criticizing the confederate flag is an attack on the white race. Nice find.

    Brad, you need to get with WC and DMC to start the Spurstalk Eugenics Society or maybe you can call it the Spurstalk White Supremacist Society. You guys sure like bringing their talking point in here.
    You've been relegated to moving goalposts and playing the troll card. I've shown you data and correlation that's undeniable. I've stated that socioeconomic factors, not race, are likely the leading cause. You stuck your fingers in your ears and screamed out "racist!" hoping to draw some backing from the other posters (those that you somehow feel are your audience when you say "we") but the facts remain and are there for anyone who doesn't wear the sword beneath their gown.

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    You've been relegated to moving goalposts and playing the troll card. I've shown you data and correlation that's undeniable. I've stated that socioeconomic factors, not race, are likely the leading cause. You stuck your fingers in your ears and screamed out "racist!" hoping to draw some backing from the other posters (those that you somehow feel are your audience when you say "we") but the facts remain and are there for anyone who doesn't wear the sword beneath their gown.
    You are a lying piece of . I present:

    Start a new thread with that question, since you just moved the goal posts.

    You didn't actually read it.

    I did.

    But for your ADD;

    Since Africans (where they live now is irrelevant) commit crime at a disproportionate rate to their white counterparts, assuming that genetic factors play about the same role in all persons with the genetic trait, blacks by default have the genetic trait more than whites, Asians and other races. Latin Americans fall just behind blacks.

    From UT research:

    What turns people into criminals? In the longstanding debate over nature vs. nurture, new research published in the journal Criminology suggests that genes play a key role in determining who leads a life of crime and who stays on the straight and narrow.
    The research, conducted by University of Texas at Dallas criminologist J.C. Barnes and colleagues, analyzed the genetic and environmental influences on criminal traits of 4,000 people. The researchers discovered a strong link between genes and criminality.
    The scientists based their research on the 1993 theory of Duke professor Dr. Terrie Moffitt that says people will generally fall into three different types: life-course persistent offenders (lifelong criminals), adolescent-limited offenders (who grow out of their bad behavior), and law-abiding abstainers (non-criminals).
    According to the paper:

    • For life-course persistent offenders, genes influenced criminal behavior more than the environment.
    • For abstainers, it was roughly an equal split: genetic factors played a large role and so too did the environment.
    • For adolescent-limited offenders, the environment was the most important factor.
    "If we're showing that genes have an overwhelming influence on who gets put onto the life-course persistent pathway, then that would suggest we need to know which genes are involved and, at the same time, how they're interacting with the environment, so we can tailor interventions," Dr. Barnes said.
    But don't expect police to start locking people up based on their genomes anytime soon. Researchers say there is no single gene to predict criminality; there are likely to be hundreds, if not thousands of genes that will affect your likelihood of being involved in crime. And even then, it may only increase that likelihood by 1 percent.
    But that doesn't mean the genetic link should be taken lightly, Barnes points out.
    "Honestly, I hope that when people read this, they take issue and start to debate it and raise criticisms, because that means people are considering it and thinking about it," Barnes said.

    See also:

    From Wiki

    The frequency distribution of variants of the MAOA gene differs between ethnic groups.[17][18] 59% of African-American men, 56% of Maori men, 54% of Chinese men, and 34% of Caucasian men carry the 3R allele. 5.5% of African-American men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carry the 2R allele.

    An association between the 2R allele of the VNTR region of the gene and an increase in the likelihood of committing serious crime or violence has been found.[6][5][7] (emphasis mine)

    Classification of Hispanics

    The UCR classifies most Hispanics into the "white" category. The NCVS classifies some Hispanic criminals as "white" and some as "other race". The victim categories for the NCVS are more distinct. (gee I wonder why the discrepancy?)


    Let me know when you catch up, and don't ever question me again, boy.

    The argument is clear.

    1) Black people commit more crime and if there is a link to criminal behavior and genetics they by default.
    2) You present evidence that there is a genetic link to criminal behavior and genetics as well as black folks having a particular gene at a higher rate.
    3) Conclude that being black predisposes you to criminal behavior.

    It's straight out of the klan playbook you lying piece of . That you don't stand by it makes you a coward to boot.

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    PLC's are still around. They either don't use ladder logic like the past, and some use microcontroller simulated ladder logic.

    What ever you do, microcontroller simulations is ... BORING...
    simulated ladder logic. Thanks google!

    So what sims are you running with what chip?

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    Still waiting for the more guns=more gun crimes facts.

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    Still waiting for the more guns=more gun crimes facts.
    Nothing I give is going to be credible to you guys. I told you I am done arguing gun control with people that have no interest in reading academic articles and are blatant racists. I am glad that you fit the former and not the latter. You can call me a coward if you like but I just see it as a waste of time.

    I really just wanted to show people what kind of racist prick DMC is.

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    Could it be there is zero proof that more guns=more gun crime?

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    You are a lying piece of . I present:




    The argument is clear.

    1) Black people commit more crime and if there is a link to criminal behavior and genetics they by default.
    2) You present evidence that there is a genetic link to criminal behavior and genetics as well as black folks having a particular gene at a higher rate.
    3) Conclude that being black predisposes you to criminal behavior.

    It's straight out of the klan playbook you lying piece of . That you don't stand by it makes you a coward to boot.




    Chances of going to prison at some point in their lives.

    Odd how this overwhelmingly disproportional occurrence gets ignored here. Then when I show crime rates based on population density, people like CD scoff at it and I must be a racist. I guess all these stats are from racist sources.

    It's not because these people are black, as I said earlier, it's socioeconomic. You aren't going to fix that with gun legislation. You're just accepting that a larger percentage of blacks live in extreme poverty and are happy to ignore it.
    Do your homework while you're in that cubicle.

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    Do your homework while you're in that cubicle.
    Saying that there other factors does not mean that you also said that you believe that black people are genetically predisposed to commit crimes. The two notions are not mutually exclusive.

    Heres an idea: say that you do not believe that minorities have a genetic predisposition towards crime and I will leave this alone.

    Your reminding me of WC with this dissembling cowardice.

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    Saying that there other factors does not mean that you also said that you believe that black people are genetically predisposed to commit crimes. The two notions are not mutually exclusive.

    Heres an idea: say that you do not believe that minorities have a genetic predisposition towards crime and I will leave this alone.

    Your reminding me of WC with this dissembling cowardice.
    You called me a liar. I proved I was not lying. You're once again shown to be mistaken. You will move the goalposts again.

    I showed you data taken from reliable sources that wasn't originally compiled to make any such correlations, however the correlations are evident and impossible to deny unless you're more interested in appearing neutral to anonymous viewers than in seeking the truth as the academic in your long ass copy/paste eluded to.

    The data supports my statements. I didn't mention my beliefs.

    And I don't care if you leave it alone. You've aborted the issue several times already. Not all minorities are more predisposed to commit crimes than the whites so your request is an easy one to meet. I did not compile the data. Make your own conclusions. Belief has nothing to do with it.

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    simulated ladder logic. Thanks google!

    So what sims are you running with what chip?
    There you go again with stupid assumptions.

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