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I hate Rick Perry with all my heart.
Texas is in the midst of a wind-power boom, and at the heart of it lies a conundrum: While plenty of ranchers are eager to host wind turbines, few want the unsightly high-voltage transmission lines needed to carry the power to distant cities running through their property.
The lack of transmission lines — and the relatively low price of natural gas — has thwarted the ambitions of wind-power advocates to expand the use of this alternative energy source in Texas.
To encourage others, the state is moving forward on a contentious project to erect $5 billion worth of transmission wires to connect the turbines to the cities that need power. On Thursday, state regulators met in Austin and approved the route of a controversial line that will run about 140 miles through the Hill Country, one of the state’s most scenic regions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/us...gewanted=print
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A classic conflict of private vs public interest, with both sides having legitimate, honest objectives.
Or maybe the landowners are trying increase their shakedown of taxpayers.
I hate Rick Perry with all my heart.
Bring govt. funds in and in a few years we can about the greedy farmers getting rich off of wind towers erected in their front yard.
Power lines are expensive. I wonder if the cost of transmission was ever really disclosed on this so called promising technology?
I've heard that the volts would require a major electrical upgrade to residential area's should that more people buy them.
Well, power capacity is a combination of volts x amps. The wire size determines the current capacity (amps). The greater the voltage, the less resistance of the line affects power loss. I understand these things, and for the capacity of wind power, it really isn't as sweet of a rose as most people think.
For wind power, the best way to do it would be to have them generate three phase AC, step it up and rectify it to DC, then only a single wire is needed. It could be buried, but damn. That gets real expensive for High voltage.
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 01-21-2011 at 06:35 PM.
I'm sorry, I meant Volt's as in Chevy Volt.
LOL...
Sorry, but we were talking power transmission.
I know, i was just reminded about how some of this green electrical energy has hidden costs that no one seems to tout.
Where were You People when Repugs built the Interstate Highway System which defaces and divides the landscape much more than power transmission lines?
Do You People support any expense for infrastructure construction and (fatally absent, eg, PG&E gas lines) maintenance or are You People myopically against everything because it has a cost?
anybody know which parts of the Hill Country they are proposing to run lines through?
http://clearviewalliance.org/docs/LC...ighlighted.pdf
and lots of LCRA links:
http://clearviewalliance.org/resources.html
A map showing where wind and solar plants are/will be, and from where the transmission lines will originate.
http://www.puc.state.tx.us/electric/maps/index.cfm
Driving west on the Hill Country-defacing/dividing IH10, one can see plenty of electric power lines for non-renewable/non-green energy.
I bet the residents of the rural service areas don't pay anywhere near their proportion of the costs of those lines. Like all rural telephone/electric service areas, the bubbas are heavily subsidized by city slickers.
Wonder how they got the computer lines in to your cave
boutons. You dig a ditch for them to lay them into it.
I doubt it, that entails work on your part and you think
government should have done it with our tax dollars.
I doubt seriously if you work. You are always on here
showing your ignorance. And telling us how great the
European governments are.
Who are you arguing against? The ghost in your head?
So there's maybe two plants in the hill country proper? There are probably already lines close to those sites anyway.A map showing where wind and solar plants are/will be, and from where the transmission lines will originate.
http://www.puc.state.tx.us/electric/maps/index.cfm
Driving west on the Hill Country-defacing/dividing IH10, one can see plenty of electric power lines for non-renewable/non-green energy.
I bet the residents of the rural service areas don't pay anywhere near their proportion of the costs of those lines. Like all rural telephone/electric service areas, the bubbas are heavily subsidized by city slickers.
That's a region-sized straw man.
I support infrastructure costs that have a clear benefit. There are too many other expenses the federal government should not be doing. In the case of green energy, I don't yet see the payoff for such government expenditures. In the past, we needed the government to build huge projects. Now corporations are large enough to burden the expense if they see a profit. If they don't see a profit, why should government pay for a losing proposition?
Or they could do both like Immelt at GE. Buy the President and have your companies investments be doubled/tripled by federal subsidies.
Why not store it in energy cubes like the decepticons in transformers
I like the ZPM's better.Why not store it in energy cubes like the decepticons in transformers
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...ut-energy.htmlCentral and Eastern European countries are moving to disconnect their power lines from Germany’s during the windiest days. That’s when they get flooded with energy, echoing struggles seen from China to Texas over accommodating the world’s 200,000 windmills.
Renewable energy around the world is causing problems because unlike oil it can’t be stored, so when generated it must be consumed or risk causing a grid collapse. At times, the glut can be so great that utilities pay consumers to take the power and get rid of it.
“Germany is aware of the problem, but there is not enough political will to solve the problem because it’s very costly,” Pavel Solc, Czech deputy minister of industry and trade, said in an interview. “So we’re forced to make one-sided defensive steps to prevent accidents and destruction.”
interesting, Those things can be turned off at the source kind of like putting a car in park. Pretty simple solution from a technology standpoint. They could shut them down on really windy days just with an automated cell phone call.
yeah, but how do we get it from west texas ranches to san antonio? Trucks. Now the "green" is gone.Why not store it in energy cubes like the decepticons in transformers
Electric catapults. Really big ones.
You guys obviously haven't driven west on I10 lately. Pass Sonora and you are almost never out of sight of a wind farm until you hit El Paso. seems like every caprock has it's own.
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