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    Aaron Swartz Could Have Killed Someone, Robbed A Bank & Sold Child Porn & Faced Less Time In Prison
    Would that have affected as many people?

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    Thing is, you are taking tragedy and using it to promote and agenda. You don't even know if how you are wrapping the deaths are true or not. Why are you practicing what the democrats do regularly, and combining it with conspiracy theories that have little possibility?
    Don't compare me to democrats, it's disgusting lol. Kuccinich is aight though

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    Don't compare me to democrats, it's disgusting lol. Kuccinich is aight though
    What is so disgusting about being a Democrat?

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    I've had discussions, many of them before, truth is trolls ask questions not because they care for discussion, only so they can troll any answer given. I'm not interested in having discussions with trolls. That's why they get so mad, I pay them no mind lol. I believe what I believe and nothing they say will change that. It must burn them bad haha

    Honestly on this topic, I wouldn't put it passed the government offing the guy. But they definitely went after him hardcore because he was a threat to them passing corrupt legislation. If it was suicide, that played a major part, but I don't doubt at all if the government waxed him. You got an answer, because he was a threat to what they were trying to do, take control of internet (silence independent news, etc).
    So you don't even positively believe the government killed him.

    It's just like the 9/11 conspiracy you refuse to actually discuss. You know you are too ignorant about the actual subject to do more than post stupid videos and memes. If anyone actually tries to engage you in an actual discussion about your beliefs, you freak out and throw out all manner of ad hominems, nail yourself to the nearest cross and run to the safety of ignore.

    It's as predictable as it is pathetic.

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    What is so disgusting about being a Democrat?
    Their hypocrisy. They were so gung ho outraged when war criminal Bush did what he did, but silent when Obama does the same and worse. Is that an answer?

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    Their hypocrisy. They were so gung ho outraged when war criminal Bush did what he did, but silent when Obama does the same and worse. Is that an answer?
    So you think they support a murderer?

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    Don't compare me to democrats, it's disgusting lol. Kuccinich is aight though
    Why not. You are doing exactly what they do all the time.

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    So you think they support a murderer?
    It's a fact.

    He's a murderer, and they know this, and they make excuses for it because it's their guy now that's doing it.

    I don't expect a President to be perfect, and deaths will occur during war (although these wars shouldn't be happening to begin with). But a lying President continuing a policy that he ran against, just as his cons uents were also against, now somehow continues the policies, even worse than Bush, and they don't say about it. Dok and his fellow jock riders like to lie and claim they are not ok with it, but we know that's bull because they aren't calling for Obama's head the way they did for Bush. That is a fact. My stance on this is really one of the reasons they try to hate. Hypocrisy. Dead children are dead children under Obama, just as they were under Bush. All these policies, NDAA, secret Kill lists, Espionage Act used on whitleblowers, deporting more Mexicans than Bush in half the time, more pot busts than Bush in half the time, extending Bush tax cuts, Patriot Act, accelerated Drone bombings which have supposedly a 98% failure rate of hitting actual terrorists. Bombing 6 countries in 4 years when Bush bombed 4 in his whole 8 years,. lol So it ain't the memes, or the youtubes, they just don't like this thrown in their hypocritical faces, so they just troll and change the subject (not saying you necessarily). How would the Dems be on all these issues right now, if it were still Bush doing them?

    Where is the anti-war left now? They seemed to have vanished.

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    I already have offered my opinion, lol But thanks for reading
    No, you only ever present others' opinions in the form of YouTubes, pictures, and quotes from articles, while doing no actual debating on your own AND calling people "sheep" for not agreeing with your view, tbh...

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    There are plenty of Democrats opposed to one or more of Obama's policies.

    So what?

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    No, you only ever present others' opinions in the form of YouTubes, pictures, and quotes from articles, while doing no actual debating on your own AND calling people "sheep" for not agreeing with your view, tbh...

    Whatever man, I just posted without a youtube before this one. Any thoughts on what I actually said, pertaining to Democrats?

    It's a fact.

    He's a murderer, and they know this, and they make excuses for it because it's their guy now that's doing it.

    I don't expect a President to be perfect, and deaths will occur during war (although these wars shouldn't be happening to begin with). But a lying President continuing a policy that he ran against, just as his cons uents were also against, now somehow continues the policies, even worse than Bush, and they don't say about it. Dok and his fellow jock riders like to lie and claim they are not ok with it, but we know that's bull because they aren't calling for Obama's head the way they did for Bush. That is a fact. My stance on this is really one of the reasons they try to hate. Hypocrisy. Dead children are dead children under Obama, just as they were under Bush. All these policies, NDAA, secret Kill lists, Espionage Act used on whitleblowers, deporting more Mexicans than Bush in half the time, more pot busts than Bush in half the time, extending Bush tax cuts, Patriot Act, accelerated Drone bombings which have supposedly a 98% failure rate of hitting actual terrorists. Bombing 6 countries in 4 years when Bush bombed 4 in his whole 8 years,. lol So it ain't the memes, or the youtubes, they just don't like this thrown in their hypocritical faces, so they just troll and change the subject (not saying you necessarily). How would the Dems be on all these issues right now, if it were still Bush doing them?

    Where is the anti-war left now? They seemed to have vanished.

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    Whatever man, I just posted without a youtube before this one. Any thoughts on what I actually said, pertaining to Democrats?
    "All Democrats are hypocrites because I said so" is not a very compelling argument, tbh...

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    "All Democrats are hypocrites because I said so" is not a very compelling argument, tbh...
    Not what I said and you know it, I said they are hypocrites for the reasons/facts I stated, and for you to lie about that and twist it shows how you are no different than the other trolls. It's not the first thing you have twisted and exaggerated, tbh.

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    "All Democrats are hypocrites because I said so" is not a very compelling argument, tbh...
    You must have missed all the pictures/youtubes spam that say that for him...

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    Not what I said and you know it, I said they are hypocrites for the reasons/facts I stated, and for you to lie about that and twist it shows how you are no different than the other trolls. It's not the first thing you have twisted and exaggerated, tbh.
    Your basis as a whole isn't factual because you have no proof that ALL Democrats are less critical of Obama's foreign policy than they were with Dubya, tbh...

    And no, DOK's not criticizing Obama enough on SpursTalk is not proof...

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    Your basis as a whole isn't factual because you have no proof that ALL Democrats are less critical of Obama's foreign policy than they were with Dubya, tbh...

    And no, DOK's not criticizing Obama enough on SpursTalk is not proof...
    What a little you are. Get off the bandwagon and be a leader. I posted here back when Bush was doing all his crap years ago, and the left on this board were very outspoken and calling for his head. Now they are silent. That's a fact, no matter how you spin it. Out in the real world, Democrats criticized Bush for the same types of policies they support Obama in now. That isn't some made up bull , it's a fact. Biden, Pelosi, a load of them now are ok with the same types of policies. Stop being a fake Libertarian, go outside, and make a change in the real world instead of beating your chest chasing ppl around in message boards being happy about petty troll victories. You're a damn liar to try and act like Democrats are not EXTREMELY hypocritical s bags right now, especially after how they acted about Bush. lol Bandwagoner. You give Libertarians a bad name lol democrat sympathizer

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    posting YouTubes = leadership

    There's gotta be a meme in there somewhere.

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    What a little you are. Get off the bandwagon and be a leader. I posted here back when Bush was doing all his crap years ago, and the left on this board were very outspoken and calling for his head. Now they are silent. That's a fact, no matter how you spin it. Out in the real world, Democrats criticized Bush for the same types of policies they support Obama in now. That isn't some made up bull , it's a fact. Biden, Pelosi, a load of them now are ok with the same types of policies. Stop being a fake Libertarian, go outside, and make a change in the real world instead of beating your chest chasing ppl around in message boards being happy about petty troll victories. You're a damn liar to try and act like Democrats are not EXTREMELY hypocritical s bags right now, especially after how they acted about Bush. lol Bandwagoner. You give Libertarians a bad name lol democrat sympathizer
    Meltdown

    What exactly have you been "leading"? Can you post YouTube videos of your "leadership"? And no, posting on SpursTalk isn't "leadership," tbh

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    Btw, not mindlessly accepting every half-baked Alex Jones conspiracy theory doesn't make me a "fake libertarian," it makes me a rational human being capable of critical thought

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    Meltdown

    What exactly have you been "leading"? Can you post YouTube videos of your "leadership"? And no, posting on SpursTalk isn't "leadership," tbh

    Nah, just telling it like it is. I have no interest in telling a troll my personal business.

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    Btw, not mindlessly accepting every half-baked Alex Jones conspiracy theory doesn't make me a "fake libertarian," it makes me a rational human being capable of critical thought
    Another lie and exaggeration.

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    Nah, just telling it like it is. I have no interest in telling a troll my personal business.
    So you aren't leading, but you are telling others to do so.

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    Another lie and exaggeration.
    but everything from youtube is the straight truth.

    Sheep210

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    Forget Aaron Swartz for a moment. I'm interested in how the plans for that pre-emptive strike on China are going. Any more news from your friends at RT SA210?

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    Marcy Wheeler: DOJ Used the Open Access Guerilla Manifesto to Do More than Justify Prosecution, They Justified a Search of Aaron Swartz’ Home



    A Justice Department representative told congressional staffers during a recentbriefing on the computer fraud prosecution of Internet activist Aaron Swartz that Swartz’s “Guerilla Open Access Manifesto” played a role in the prosecution, sources told The Huffington Post.
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    The “Manifesto,” Justice Department representatives told congressional staffers, demonstrated Swartz’s malicious intent in downloading do ents on a massive scale.

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    Reich told congressional staffers that the Justice Department believed federal prosecutors acted in a reasonable manner, according to the sources. He also made clear that prosecutors were in part influenced by wanting to deter others from committing similar offenses.


    When considering punishment, courts are supposed to impose an “adequate deterrence to criminal conduct” under federal statute. Swartz’s “Manifesto,” prosecutors said they believed, made clear that he intended to share the academic articles widely.

    And look at the passage from the Manifesto they quote in the brief, which appears in this larger passage.

    There is no justice in following unjust laws. It’s time to come into the light and, in the grand tradition of civil disobedience, declare our opposition to this private theft of public culture.


    We need to take information, wherever it is stored, make our copies and share them with the world
    . We need to take stuff that’s out of copyright and add it to the archive. We need to buy secret databases and put them on the Web. We need to download scientific journals and upload them to file sharing networks. [my emphasis]

    In context, much of the manifesto advocates for things that are perfectly legal: sharing do ents under Fair Use. Taking information that is out of copyright and making it accessible. Purchasing databases and putting them on the web.


    Aside from sharing passwords, about the only thing that might be illegal here (depending on copyright!) is downloading scientific journals and uploading them to file sharing networks.

    Threat Level reveals the government went so far as subpoenaing various versions of the manifesto from Internet Archive.


    His attorney, ****** Peters, said prosecutors were “very focused” on the manifesto Swartz penned from Italy.


    “They were very focused on it, and appeared to be planning to use it as evidence of Aaron’s intent to take the JSTOR material and somehow post it online to make it available for all,” Peters told Wired on Friday. “They had spent a lot of energy investigating that do ent — who wrote it, whether it conveyed Aaron’s point of view, etc.”


    The government, Peters said, “had also subpoenaed various versions of the do ent from the Internet Archive,” Peters said.

    This was part of the fishing expeditions Swartz’ lawyer was trying to win discovery on back in 2012.


    DOJ told Congress it believed the Manifesto would prove motive — that Swartz planned to share the journals widely. But that only underscores that had he used them for his own purposes — to collect data on who funded what studies and what kind of results they produced, as he had in the past — they would have had a hard time claiming this was a crime at all.


    It appears that, only by researching the Manifesto, a First Amendment protected publication that largely espoused legal information sharing, did the government even get around to treating this as a crime.


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