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    As long as I can carry my concealed snub nose .357, I am fine with people having their machine guns or rocket launchers or whatever taken from them. I don't think the founding fathers intended for people to have the right to carry a weapon that if in the wrong hands (and with so many widely and easily available they inevitably end up there), can as we've seen take out a room of people in seconds. I think that that is taking the cons ution to a logical end that wasn't intended. I am alright with those being banned. But I and many other people swear by being able to concealed carry. The fact that you can't in Australia is bull .

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    What say you Fuzzy? How's it working out for the Aussie's? Wonder if aussifankurt has any personal experiences.
    when your research deals with the topic at hand I'd be more than willing to discuss it with you. You are making this more difficult than it should be. Notice how chumpdumper kept it on topic in this thread, you should try to as well.
    Do you need me to help you read the OP?

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    Where does your research speak about armed robberies, assaults with guns, and home invasions?

    You own a gun correct? If you are so desperate to follow Australia's lead why haven't you given your gun up? I'm guessing you keep it for protection no? Do you think it's fair the Australian's had to give up their firearms used for protection? Do you think the criminals gave up their guns? Do you think it is now easier for criminals to commit crimes being that they are the only ones with guns now and have nothing to fear but a baseball bat and a knife?

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    I have to say the same thing the last time you posted this youtube. You really should get some new material rather than an Australian Shooters Association propaganda reel.

    I have extensively gone over the figures from a decade before the ban all the way to recently. You once again bring up anecdotes and cherry picked stats in place of comprehensive analysis. It's tired bull .

    http://andrewleigh.org/pdf/GunBuyback_Panel.pdf

    I will AGAIN post a study that was done by two Australian universities and is once AGAIN a comprehensive analysis as opposed to your tripe. Do you have any idea where the stats they came up with or are you satisfied with random youtube from an unknown source that found a retire police officer and about 10 "concerned citizens?"





    So as last time: comprehensive study or random youtube? Controlled statisitics from defined sources or random youtube stats from who knows where?


    so taking firearms away made it harder for people that wanted to kill themselves because they hated their lives is your argument?

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    When I am ready to check out I will be ing pissed if government coddle legislation has made it impossible for me to do it.

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    the only morons shootin up each other down here are either bikies or crime familys....

    other then that u dont hear much about the common man, hunters shooting anyone...

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    "more guns" derp derp "less crime" derpa derp.
    Thanks for reminding me to once again ask you to prove this wrong, which you have consistently failed to do, because if guns were so evil, and there are so many millions more owned now, it should be no problem showing that they are the problem for the rising crime rate. If only the crime rate was rising huh?

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    so taking firearms away made it harder for people that wanted to kill themselves because they hated their lives is your argument?
    You don't think that it more difficult to kill yourself with a gun that it is otherwise.

    Hanging yourself, slitting your wrists, jumping off a bridge etc are easier to intervene for and scarier to do then putting a bullet in your brain. So yes I think that without a gun where someone that is in a brief suicidal mode is much more dangerous than the threat of someone using more difficult means.

    There is a difference between making a thought out, deliberate decision and someone in a fit of rage or other similar emotionally disturbed state putting a bullet in their brain.

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    DERP I dont know how to do statistical analysis DERPA DERP DERP I'm not going to read studies that might prove me wrong DERPA DERP!

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    Where does your research speak about armed robberies, assaults with guns, and home invasions?

    You own a gun correct? If you are so desperate to follow Australia's lead why haven't you given your gun up? I'm guessing you keep it for protection no? Do you think it's fair the Australian's had to give up their firearms used for protection? Do you think the criminals gave up their guns? Do you think it is now easier for criminals to commit crimes being that they are the only ones with guns now and have nothing to fear but a baseball bat and a knife?
    This is the same you pulled when asked to prove that more guns=more crime, you skirt the issue. Again, answer the questions you dodging piece of .

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    This is the same you pulled when asked to prove that more guns=more crime, you skirt the issue. Again, answer the questions you dodging piece of .
    I never claimed that although the articles that I posted did just now and the other 50 times you asked me. I even bolded them for you too. Your whining derail has deflected attention from the academic studies though. Good job.

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    And before you claim you want it to be all crimes, I will again repeat myself by saying the reason why the studies do not include all crimes like say DUI is because they control for variables. If you were to read the papers they explain what they are doing-- like again I have told you. You apparently do not understand it and tbh I am not going to waste my time trying to teach you.

    http://qssi.psu.edu/files/Achen_GarbageCan.pdf

    That is a paper from Penn State that goes into the process of why and how you control variables if you are actually interested in learning, but we both know you have no desire to actually learn something.

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    You don't think that it more difficult to kill yourself with a gun that it is otherwise.

    Hanging yourself, slitting your wrists, jumping off a bridge etc are easier to intervene for and scarier to do then putting a bullet in your brain. So yes I think that without a gun where someone that is in a brief suicidal mode is much more dangerous than the threat of someone using more difficult means.

    There is a difference between making a thought out, deliberate decision and someone in a fit of rage or other similar emotionally disturbed state putting a bullet in their brain.
    It was their choice. If they are that disturbed better they put a bullet into their own brain than 20 school kids.

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    It was their choice. If they are that disturbed better they put a bullet into their own brain than 20 school kids.
    Or they could put a bullet on 20 schools kids AND then their own brain. I rather they hang, tbh

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    It was their choice. If they are that disturbed better they put a bullet into their own brain than 20 school kids.
    Okey dokey.

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    they had long swords buy back down here also...lol the idiots with home made blades cashin in...

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    they had long swords buy back down here also...lol the idiots with home made blades cashin in...
    So how worked up are the Aussies about the ban 17 years later? Any talk of revolution?

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    As I have said before the best way to stop mass shootings is to make it illegal to mention their name or post a photo of them

    The media has to choose from a select list of names they can use starting with "dumbass""loser" "freakazoid" "idiot" etc.

    Going down in a blaze of "glory" knowing their name, picture, and life story will be on every newspaper and TV show in the country will be a lot less attractive to these ing nutcases.


    "in the latest news another ing idiot decided to kill some innocent bystanders before killing himself Can't believe these dumbasses think we will give a about them. I'm glad he is dead."

    Not exactly a motivational speech for a nutcase.

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    Where does your research speak about armed robberies, assaults with guns, and home invasions? When did I ask about DUI's and what the does that have to do with anything?

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    So how worked up are the Aussies about the ban 17 years later? Any talk of revolution?
    How engrained are guns to the Aussie's culture?

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    As I have said before the best way to stop mass shootings is to make it illegal to mention their name or post a photo of them

    The media has to chooses from a select list of names they can use starting with "dumbass""loser" "freakazoid" "idiot" etc.

    Going down in a blaze of "glory" will be a lot less attractive to these ing nutcases.
    Debatable. They're obviously mentally damaged. It's like boutons... I doubt he would stop with the tourette if he couldn't post here. It's much deeper than that.

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    How engrained are guns to the Aussie's culture?
    Definitely not like America.

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    I never claimed that although the articles that I posted did just now and the other 50 times you asked me. I even bolded them for you too. Your whining derail has deflected attention from the academic studies though. Good job.
    So you're articles can disprove that gun ownership in the USA has gone up while crime in the USA has gone down? Why haven't you shared any of this with anyone? Why haven't you bolded it for the simpletons?

    You fail so ing hard.

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    Definitely not like America.
    So why would we expect the same reaction?

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    So you're articles can disprove that gun ownership in the USA has gone up while crime in the USA has gone down? Why haven't you shared any of this with anyone? Why haven't you bolded it for the simpletons?

    You fail so ing hard.
    smh.

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