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Are the rest of the guys untouchables?, because I don't believe the spurs would turn down market value for say Boris Diaw.
I agree, Bonner will be a sweet trade asset in June. But if Spurs do a trade at this trade deadline, Blair and Neal with their low salary likely won't be enough to match salaries. Bonner would be a trade filler to make the trade work under the CBA.
I think that Neal has a nice little trade value. He might fetch a good player or draft pick from a team that needs more offense/shooting. Even if Neal is useful when a wing is injured, I rather take what I could from him than keeping him. Another issue regarding Neal is what to do with him this summer: Do you let him walk and get nothing back or do you keep him and have a logjam at the guards spots.
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Are the rest of the guys untouchables?, because I don't believe the spurs would turn down market value for say Boris Diaw.
Diaw can veto a trade.
Diaw and Mills both have veto rights, but I'd only expect Diaw to use them. Mills would probably not be negatively affected financially for any trade, as he's likely to get a contract similar to the one he's getting now. I don't think he'd even opt out. He'd be expecting no more than the MLE in any cir stance.
Diaw probably wouldn't opt out, either. But if he were to, he'd probably have a hard time finding $4.7 Million on the open market. If he were to stay with the Spurs, he could re-sign for a much as $7.875 (35M/4), which is a lot more than the MLE (21.4M/4), obviously.
Great post. I'm amazed when someone misses a big shot, someone always says "so and so choked". Most players miss more shots than they make so if they miss a big shot, it doesn't mean they choked.
It isn't that Neal is clutch its that the Spurs need offense late, and Neal provides it more so than Leonard.
Green is a better option on almost any given night late. His provides solid defense, and boards. He also has been a better shooter than Neal since the start of last season, when he became apart of the spurs rotation.
Its rather odd the perception, that Neal is more clutch than Green. Neal has a history of mistakes late in games including missing crucial free-throws.
An example, but point taken.
If Neal agrees to a reasonable contract, you could resign him and trade him later. He shouldn't be too hard to trade if he is on a reasonable contract. There is no need to trade him this deadline, unless he's filler in a big trade where we get something really good in return, better off resigning him and trading him later if it doesn't work out.
I read a long time ago showing that Jordan shot his career averages during clutch situations. I remember lurking last year and seeing timvp post (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191707) about clutch shots. He came to a different conclusion that I did, but even so, he the most clutch player he showed didn't even have a 50-percent track-record. I imagine his number for Neal has gone down since then.
Neal was PATHETIC against the Heat. He single-handily lost us that damn game, missing shot after shot down the stretch.
The fact that people say he hits "big shots" makes me LOL. It is a laughable assertion, tbh.
Yeah, but at best he'd fetch a late 1st and what good is that to a team with serious championship aspirations? If Leonard would have emerged as a legit fourth option/secondary creator, that would have freed them up to move Neal. But because that hasn't happened, I don't see them trading Neal, unless they can get Derrick Williams or someone similar.
As far as the logjam at guard, it's pretty much a given that one of Neal or Mills won't be on the team next season. If Neal isn't traded, he'll more than likely be re-signed (unless they don't reach a verbal agreement before July 1 and someone throws an insane offer sheet at him). In that case, Mills will almost certainly opt out and De Colo and Joseph aren't good enough prospects to worry about there not being a clear path to a spot in the rotation for.
In terms of the trade odds, the only players I could see being traded, are Blair (50%), Bonner (5%), Neal (2%) and Joseph (2%).
They don't make Youtube videos for misses, or else people would respond with those right now.
For some reason when I read the thread le I read "Trade Every Player on The Spurs". Thought that was a bit rash.
I really wish the Spurs would have had some more assets before the season started to go after Harden. No doubt in my mind OKC would much rather have Manu instead of K-Mart (for a team pushing for a le) but the Spurs didn't have enough to offer naturally.
Not that it has anything to do with this, just thinking out loud.
Green is the better defender, but I specifically mentioed possessions where we need to make a clutch shot. I'd take Neal over Green. I've seen him make more big shots than Green, and he has a quicker release
You forgot to mention the reason why the spurs needed that game tying 3 from Neal.He turned the ball over with 9 seconds left the 4th. Foye threw a terrible pass to Paul, who made a mental mistake by tossing the ball up in the air instead of taking a back court violation.
Neal happened to be right their and caught the ball and made the 3. He also missed both of his free throws with 8 seconds left in OT. If he had made 1 of them he would have iced the game, instead Paul & the Clippers had a chance to tie it but missed. Not quite hero ball.
Neal had a horrid series against the Grizzles shooting 37% and 29.5% 3pt. The Spurs were outscored by +/- -34 in the 1st 4 games of that series with Neal on the floor and a +/- - 22 for the series. Only one of those games were decided by more than 8 points. We lost that series by being outscored by -18. Him hitting a shot to force overtime isn't something that proves that a player is clutch, he hit a tough shot thats that.
He wasn't the sole reason the Spurs lost the series (obviously) but his play didn't exactly put us in position to win several games with his "clutch play".
I don't know why you quoted me, but I agree.
let Patty be the PG whenever Baynes is on court and sit back and watch the Men at Work..
see what I did there?
I may have quoted the wrong person, my bad.
So which players are our trade chips? Blair, CoJo can easily be dispensed with. I wouldn't mind trading Jax, Bonner, Neal, Diaw, and Mills away...
Jackson's expiring contract and Neal's cheap production on the wing are really the only players I could maybe, sort of, see us move.
I doubt Boris or patty would agree to a trade
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