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    I can cherry pick TJ, too

    Thomas Jefferson Feared an Aristocracy of Corporations


    Jefferson's distrust of concentrated and consolidated power was such that he left a legacy for any and every dissenter against the state.

    But Jefferson did not stop there.


    He was, as well, a relentless critic of the monopolizing of economic power by banks, corporations and those who put their faith in what the third president referred to as "the selfish spirit of commerce (that) knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.

    Jefferson might not have wanted a lot of government, but he wanted enough government to assert the sovereignty of citizens over corporations. To his view, nothing was more important to the health of the republic.

    In the early years of the 19th century, as banks and corporations began to flex their political muscles, he announced that: “I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."


    There are those who would have us believe that the founders intended for corporations to control our elections – and, tragically, five of these Tories sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, where they recently ruled that the nation’s biggest businesses may spend whatever they like to buy the results that best serve their bottom lines.


    Jefferson was a proud revolutionary against the old order of inherited monarchy, state churches, empires and the authority of the few over the fate of the many.

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/37038/...-corporations#

    It's amazing that the wealthy and powerful corporatocracy that America has irredeemably degenerated into was feared already by TJ in the 18th century.

    and the NRA is nothing but a marketing/selling department for the gun corporations, suckering bubbas in the 2nd Amendment fantasies
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    Jesus dude it's not that hard. He said military usually rises up against the govt, you are a member of the military.

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    Another bone


    A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.
    Thomas Jefferson

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    are either of those quotes from the John Adams biography?

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    Jesus dude it's not that hard. He said military usually rises up against the govt, you are a member of the military.

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    are either of those quotes from the John Adams biography?
    It has been several years since I read it. As best I remember a lot of the actual letter exchanges between Jefferson and Adams were in the appendix.

    Is this really that important or are you just being a little this morning?

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    important enough for you to pretend you're throwing me a bone when in fact you're just covering your bull .

    you have no idea how the David McCullough book relates to this thread. if you did, you'd be able to share your recollection with us in lieu of random Jefferson quotes you just googled.

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    Is this really that important or are you just being a little this morning?
    important enough for you to pretend you're throwing me a bone when in fact you're just covering your bull .

    you have no idea how the David McCullough book relates to this thread. if you did, you'd be able to share your recollection with us in lieu of random Jefferson quotes you just googled.
    lol busted

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    No bust at all you ing idiot.

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    A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.
    Thomas Jefferson
    That’s so beautiful….


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    ^ great read, tbh, IMO

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    ^ great read, tbh, IMO
    it is, great to read and then rewatch the movie. they developed them both together off one of his short stories, I believe. Lots more detail on the obelisks.

    funny post tho

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    And before I get Winehole complaining, some quotes:

    HAL: It can only be attributable to human error.

    HAL: Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?

    Dr Floyd: Don't suppose you have any idea what the damn thing is, huh?
    Dr. Rolf Halvorsen: Wish to we did.

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    No bust at all you ing idiot.
    I think so. You still haven't shown how the book relates to this thread.

    And the ”I loaned the book out” was an awesomely hilarious confirmation that you threw intellectual bull against the wall, hoping it would stick.

    Rofl.

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    To throw you a bone, here is a good one from Jefferson.

    When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
    Thomas Jefferson
    Do you fear the government? If so, why? I get frustrated with the government, wish they would work more efficiently, etc. but I don't fear the government.

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    I think so. You still haven't shown how the book relates to this thread.

    And the ”I loaned the book out” was an awesomely hilarious confirmation that you threw intellectual bull against the wall, hoping it would stick.

    Rofl.
    I gave the book to my son to read you ing idiot.

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    ^ great read, tbh, IMO

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    I gave the book to my son to read you ing idiot.
    I think the question is why did you bring up that book. Do you think it relates to the thread? If you do, there is a reason why. What is that reason? Even if you don't remember specifics from the book, I am sure that you remember why you posted it. Why was that?

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    I think he was trying to articulate that some of the founding fathers exchanged letters about disliking big/bad federal government.

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    it was a mute appeal to authority. propping oneself atop the founders never goes out of style.

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    posting a book cover instead of an actual viewpoint has got to be about the laziest appeal to authority ever . . .

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    whatever. Your mindless ankle biting over trivial shtick is getting really old. Don't expect another response on this subject.. You are rapidly sinking to the level of FuzzyLumpkins and Blake.

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    it was a mute appeal to authority. propping oneself atop the founders never goes out of style.
    totally lying about them and rewriting history (and the Bible) are eternal.

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    your son has it.

    why not walk down to the basement to get it?

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    your son has it.

    why not walk down to the basement to get it?
    My son is corporate counsel for a major entertainment studio in LA that could buy your broke ass.

    Major insult fail.

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