Paul George OR Kawai Leonard???

[DesignatedT]

we dont need another passive wanker on offense cause diaw already taken up that role...bonner is starting to be passive also due to his slow release and players running out to him....even a scrub like bonner can pump fake and penetrate closer for a easier shot, while KL u never see him do any of this...his points are mainly spot up 3 or steals in transition led to his fast break dunks...a very young exciting player being turn into a scrub in the making....

Nobody is jumping at a Kawhi Leonard shot fake.

Since you brought up fast breaks... he has been absolutely horrendous running fast breaks this season.

[DesignatedT]

I would like to see him be used more in the offense but he is already getting open looks and is just deciding not to shoot the ball. He had many tonight where I would have liked to see him shoot it. I would like to see him have more opportunities cutting to the basketball and stuff as well. He was touching the ball nearly every possession tonight in the fourth quarter so it isn't like hes just sitting in the corner ala Richard Jefferson. They are moving him around and running offense he just isn't getting anything or they aren't passing him the ball. Him and Duncan tried to run a nice give and go to the rim down the stretch and it resulted in a turnover. You also have to take into account that he's missed 18 games this season.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Nobody is jumping at a Kawhi Leonard shot fake.

Since you brought up fast breaks... he has been absolutely horrendous running fast breaks this season.

this fkn team just love doing layups on fastbreaks....

[DapDaGenius]

Not worried about Kawhi. While his offense wasn't there tonight, he had plenty of defensive hustle and aggressiveness. I do hope he gets his offense to being more consistent.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Not worried about Kawhi. While his offense wasn't there tonight, he had plenty of defensive hustle and aggressiveness. I do hope he gets his offense to being more consistent.

u cant be consistent if ur not gettin enough touches, fast break players dunks/layups doesnt warm ur stroking hand......

popa is fine with his chuckfest heros bricking shots b4 even the thought of benching them, while KL any defensive errors or a sign of brickin houses is immediately bench and made an example of

KL on another team would be beasting instead of this limited role....

[DesignatedT]

u cant be consistent if ur not gettin enough touches, fast break players dunks/layups doesnt warm ur stroking hand......

popa is fine with his chuckfest heros bricking shots b4 even the thought of benching them, while KL any defensive errors or a sign of brickin houses is immediately bench and made an example of

KL on another team would be beasting instead of this limited role....

Just stop posting. This type of is what makes this site unbearable at times.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Just stop posting. This type of is what makes this site unbearable at times.

lol did i manage to pushed ur button?

lets get this straight with his development so far, why isnt he given the green light? Ghill33 was given the green light to play outside of the system in his 3rd year, why cant KL who is bigger and wide skill set thats shown in college being force to be spot up shooter or behind the idiots on the team with the amount of touches?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Seems like he's not even 3rd or 4th option when playing with the bench either.

dont know if any of you clowns have notice when hsi playing with the bench

ginoboi - either chuckn bad selection rush shots or stupid turnovers from flashy passes
neal - shoots every time he touches the ball, theres not a open look he wont take a shot
jax - he usually selects his shots wisely, but when his in a bad mood u see him chuck up stupid shots, but most of the time he will defer
diaw - the open looks he gets doesnt shoot but prefers to penetrate and defer (i wish kl get those sort of open looks diaw gets)
mills - not afraid too shoot and will pull the trigger b4 the thought of passing

the bench basically has no real play maker, just a bunch of streaky heroes offensively who needs volume shots to get going....KL doesnt fit playing with them

[Richie]

Let's be honest, George is way, way ahead of Kawhi at this point. George is a borderline all star this year, Kawhi is a contributor on a good team.

There's a number of good, young small forwards at the moment. George, Hayward, Parsons, Kawhi. Leonard is probably the worst in that group but he is younger than those others. If he can take the kind of step this summer that George made between his second and third year we would be very lucky.

[SpursRock20]

Based on what's asked of him on the offensive end, I can't get too upset with Kawai. He really has no plays drawn up for him and is used as a pawn in all offensive sets. Most of his points come from the corner or in transition, that's all Pop wants from him it seems.

[Russo21]

Paul George > Leonard
George Hill > Leonard

That's on Pop and Kawhi himself. Look what Pop did to borderline allstar and 20ppg score Richard Jefferson. He ed him up. Just sat in the corner all game every game scratching his ass. Lost his confidence and then forgot how to play like he used to. I fear Pop is going to Leonard up to.

[Man In Black]

How many shots are there to go around on a team like the Spurs? Will they do score a lot, this isn't an 8 seconds or less offense. If Tim gets 14 shots and Tony gets 15 and Ginobili gets 12 or so, then add Splitters 10 and then Greens 7 and Neals 8 and then say Mills gets 3 and DeColo gets 2. Already with those 8 not including Kawhi, that's already 69 shots. Say Kawhi gets 7 shots, that brings the total to 76 shots. Boris Diaw needs to shoot more to keep defenses honest but even he doesn't take more than say 4 shots a game. So now we're at 80 shots.
How many shots do the Spurs average per game?
Through 41 games, the Spurs took 3348 shots. On average that means the Spurs take around 81 shots per game. So how many shots should Kawhi take? Does he take shots away from any of the Big 3? How about Splitter? Gary Neal? Okay, perhaps Danny Green. But if Danny ain't taking shots, and Kawhi ain't taking any, then that makes the Spurs predictable.

It's like when Steve Smith would sit in the corner and not engage offensively. Kawhi has done that some but he's engaged more that Smith ever had. Dunk facial on Ibaka rings a bell but really, he should just concentrate on D and keep working on that shot. His day will come soon enough that he's the face of the franchise. When he does, Paul George won't have on him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

danny green, ginoboli, neal, jax.......taking shots away from kawhi

[Juggity]

George Hill > Leonard

[capek]

Paul George > Leonard
George Hill > Leonard

That's on Pop and Kawhi himself. Look what Pop did to borderline allstar and 20ppg score Richard Jefferson. He ed him up. Just sat in the corner all game every game scratching his ass. Lost his confidence and then forgot how to play like he used to. I fear Pop is going to Leonard up to.

Neither of those guys are people you change you're whole offensive system for. Lebron, yes. Durant, yes. etc etc. Not RJ or Leonard, so I'm not sure what you expect. And if earning his spot is enough to ' up' Leonard, he's not going to be the player we hope he is anyway.

[TJastal]

It's like when Steve Smith would sit in the corner and not engage offensively. Kawhi has done that some but he's engaged more that Smith ever had. Dunk facial on Ibaka rings a bell but really, he should just concentrate on D and keep working on that shot. His day will come soon enough that he's the face of the franchise.

If dunk facials = superstar potential then Vince Carter is gonna be great someday. He served up a wicked dunk facial on Ibaka in the game I saw last night.

When he does, Paul George won't have on him.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Kawhi Leonard is a fantastic talent to come to the Spurs. He is a top grade defensive player and although the Spurs haven't found an offensive role for him yet, he is the best draftee for the Spurs for a while and the future of the franchise.

Paul George has a bit more experience with the Pacers and is now a genuine two way player whose offensive play is better than his defensive play - from the limited minutes I have seen him play. But his ceiling is closer than Kawhi's who, I am sure, with experience will turn out to be as good if not better than George.

[slick'81]

george not even close right now

[exstatic]

Let's be honest, George is way, way ahead of Kawhi at this point. George is a borderline all star this year, Kawhi is a contributor on a good team.

There's a number of good, young small forwards at the moment. George, Hayward, Parsons, Kawhi. Leonard is probably the worst in that group but he is younger than those others. If he can take the kind of step this summer that George made between his second and third year we would be very lucky.

The wind in Paul George's sails was the fact that the third year is usually the big growth year for a young player, and that Danny Granger missed so much time. PG is an elite defender, but he won't get nearly as many shots when Granger comes back.

[Richie]

The wind in Paul George's sails was the fact that the third year is usually the big growth year for a young player, and that Danny Granger missed so much time. PG is an elite defender, but he won't get nearly as many shots when Granger comes back.

I think it's more likely that Granger gets traded for a point guard and Hill goes to 6th man. Maybe Bledsoe + filler for Granger. I like that deal for both teams.

Edit: Bledsoe + Odom (expiring) for Granger would be a top deal for them. They would have a mountain of cap space in the summer to re-sign West and someone else or go big for someone like Josh Smith.

Looking at it for this season though, a lineup of Hill, George, Granger, West and Hibbert is a huge team, only Hill under 6'8". A lot of options to throw at Wade and LeBron in they meet in the playoffs.

[TDMVPDPOY]

The wind in Paul George's sails was the fact that the third year is usually the big growth year for a young player, and that Danny Granger missed so much time. PG is an elite defender, but he won't get nearly as many shots when Granger comes back.

lol watch the games, when PG has the ball dont expect him to past it up....he would usually chuck up any shot if needed....sometimes he would go gary neal dribble down the court and hoist up a 3pt shot...

[exstatic]

I think it's more likely that Granger gets traded for a point guard and Hill goes to 6th man. Maybe Bledsoe + filler for Granger. I like that deal for both teams.

Edit: Bledsoe + Odom (expiring) for Granger would be a top deal for them. They would have a mountain of cap space in the summer to re-sign West and someone else or go big for someone like Josh Smith.

Looking at it for this season though, a lineup of Hill, George, Granger, West and Hibbert is a huge team, only Hill under 6'8". A lot of options to throw at Wade and LeBron in they meet in the playoffs.

CP3 has a bad wheel. I'm not sure I'm trading his young, cheap backup for Granger, who while good, is redundant about 4 times on the Clippers. SF is not a position of need for them with Butler, GHill, and Barnes. I'm also not sure that Indy would even consider Odom, even as an ending contract throw in, after Dallas' nightmare with him last year. You don't need locker room problems when you're fighting for playoff seeding. That trade seems to sort of work for Indy, but not LA.

[SpursRock20]

Paul George > Leonard
George Hill > Leonard

That's on Pop and Kawhi himself. Look what Pop did to borderline allstar and 20ppg score Richard Jefferson. He ed him up. Just sat in the corner all game every game scratching his ass. Lost his confidence and then forgot how to play like he used to. I fear Pop is going to Leonard up to.

Jason Kidd has been known to make players look pretty damn good.

[Richie]

CP3 has a bad wheel. I'm not sure I'm trading his young, cheap backup for Granger, who while good, is redundant about 4 times on the Clippers. SF is not a position of need for them with Butler, GHill, and Barnes. I'm also not sure that Indy would even consider Odom, even as an ending contract throw in, after Dallas' nightmare with him last year. You don't need locker room problems when you're fighting for playoff seeding. That trade seems to sort of work for Indy, but not LA.

While I'll admit I don't know a huge amount about Granger, I think it is safe to say he is a big upgrade for who the Clippers currently have at SF.

Bledsoe is a great asset and wasted on the Clippers. Come playoff time Pauls minutes will go up to the 40 min mark and Crawford will be closing the game in the back court with him. I don't see Bledsoe getting more than 10-15 min in playoff time when it counts and while he is excellent to give Paul rest in the regular season, Granger playing 30+ minutes is much more useful in the postseason.

I agree the Pacers may not want to mess with their team while trying to make a playoff run, but their pieces are all so young they have time. Hill and Hibbert are 26, George (and Bledsoe if the trade happens) are 22. If they don't want Odom, they could always take Butler as the Clips would be getting Granger in return, although he isn't an expiring.

Possible lineups after the trade

Bledsoe/Hill/George/West/Hbbert (+ big cap space)

Paul/Crawford/Granger/Griffin/Jordan

I think both teams improve.

[therealtruth]

Jason Kidd has been known to make players look pretty damn good.

RJ averaged 20 with the Bucks and no Jason Kidd. He needs a offense that allows him to play to his strengths.