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How can you say TP is unathletic? He's basically the fastest player in the NBA?
As far as All-Stars who are still underrated:
It is a homer pick but Parker is definitely underrated. Even Spurs fans don't really like him (they'd trade him in a second for a "pure passing, ball dominant point guard
I think Tyson Chandler is underrated. He got the DPOY and he plays in the biggest media market in the world but somehow he still doesn't get enough credit. His defense is legitimately great -- especially in pick-and-rolls. He's the rare bigman that can defend his space and about a ten foot radius around him. On offense, even though he doesn't have much skill or touch, he's still a major plus because he sets great screens, makes the right pass and doesn't shoot bad shots. When it comes to actually influencing wins, he's probably top ten in the league.
Paul Pierce is underrated. He's easily better than Rondo or KG ... and has been the whole time since 2008. If he were born in French Lick and Larry Bird were born in Inglewood, Paul Pierce would be regarded as the best Celtic ever and a top 15 player of All-Time, tbh. Great scorer who picks and chooses his spots. He doesn't rack up a ton of filler/trash points (glances at you know who). Can play with the ball or off the ball. Very good passer. Gets to the line a ton. Can play lockdown defense when needed. Can play huge minutes without getting tired when needed. Rarely gets injured or takes games off. Doesn't care if he's viewed as first, second or third banana. He's slowing down now but he had a damn great career.
And finally, LeBron is underrated. He's so got damn good that people are starting to get immune to it. Best complete athlete in the game when you consider size, speed, agility, jumping ability, quick reactions, quick feet, etc. On top of that he's amazingly skilled. Maybe someone like Chris Paul has more skill but it's debatable. Top it off with elite court vision and a newfound clutchness ... and, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, his peak right now is probably closer to Jordan than most of us want to admit.
How can you say TP is unathletic? He's basically the fastest player in the NBA?
He is the fastest player in the NBA but I was talking about jumping/power/physicality in the air. Speed is easier gameplanned against in the playoffs. We know dis.
Where was Bargnani on your list, tbh?
Don't change the subject tbh. Calling the fastest player in the NBA unathletic is just going a bit too far. He's actually damn strong too while in the air. He takes numerous hits and finishes in the paint better than any guard in the league. It's why I had TP on my list first
Where do you have JJ Hickson on your list, timvp ?
Parker compared to the average NBA player can't jump and can't barrel over players. Not sure what part of this you are disagreeing with, IMO.
Hickson was definitely underrated when the Kings waived him and only the Blazers claimed him. But he's probably rated about right again.
So, what about Bargnani?
Ya, he can't jump or barrel over players, but I am clearly disagreeing with you calling the fastest player in the NBA with really good strength at taking contact and finishing in the paint unathletic. Is he Lebron? No, but even if speed is easier to game plan against, if you are the fastest dude amongst super fast dudes you are athletic IMO..
Bargnani is rated properly. He is terrible outside of hitting FT's and decent 3 pointers but everyone realizes how bad he is.
I had already spelled out I was talking about height and jumping ability. Read it again. I apologize if going shorthand and putting "unathletic" confused you. I guess I should have retyped what I said a couple sentences earlier, fwiw.
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This is what you said. You made no mention of anything other than jumping ability and then again called him too unathletic. I combated that by saying he's the fastest dude in the NBA and pretty damn strong in the air/paint. Sorry you stretched it a bit too much for my liking. No big deal, you have now since qualified your definition of unathletic in this scenario so it makes more sense.As far as All-Stars who are still underrated:
It is a homer pick but Parker is definitely underrated. Even Spurs fans don't really like him (they'd trade him in a second for a "
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That's correctly bolded, tbh. Instead of repeating 11 words, I used five words. I apologize if that was confusing. And now I've more than paid the price of trying to save a few keystrokes, IMO.It is a homer pick but Parker is definitely underrated. Even Spurs fans don't really like him (they'd trade him in a second for a "pure passing, ball dominant point guard" even though that type of point guard doesn't win championships). But there aren't many point guards out there that can win games basically by himself. Hugely underrated passer and ballhandler and when he's trying, he's an underrated defender (Westbrook destroyed everyone in the playoff last year other than him). Considering he's short (for NBA standards) and can't jump (by any standards) his ability to dominate at times is pretty amazing. The cherry on top is he might be the most coachable player in NBA history; whatever Pop tells him to do, he does without hesitancy or second thought. (All that said, he's too small and unathletic to truly be the alpha dog on a championship team, unfortunately. He needs someone else playing at his level or better.)
I wish I wouldn't have said anything since now you opened up some weird can of worms and I don't like going back and forth. Im just here to talk basketball tbh.
Parker doesn't have power or physicality in the air equal to most stars. He's sturdy for his size but he's not a monster like most stars. Again, not sure where the disconnect is, tbh.
Interesting way to describe Bargnani, IMO.
But all you said was he's small (which you can still be ultra athletic and small) and that he couldn't jump high (you can still be athletic if you can't jump high). So your assertion was he is unathletic because he is small (which doesn't make any sense) and because he couldn't jump high, correct? If so, I just simply disagreed that he was unathletic considering he's the fastest guy in the NBA and very strong in the air/paint.
I have no idea why you started bringing up power and physicality in the air and game planning after the fact when you never mentioned any of that in your OP
Just let it go man, not that important and I get tired of the back and forth..
I'm just confused how can Lebron be underrated? He is considered by everyone to be the best player in basketball and amidst a dominant prime.
I have no idea why you started bringing up power and physicality in the air and game planning after the fact when you never mentioned any of that in your OPRIF, IMO.(All that said, he's too small and unathletic to truly be the alpha dog on a championship team, unfortunately. He needs someone else playing at his level or better.)
Jordanesque > Best right now, IMO.
That doesn't make any sense and has nothing to do with how athletic someone is. You only mentioned his height and jumping ability until I called you out. Then you started on this strange ultra-defensive tangent on power and physicality and game planing tbh...and essentially boiled it down to he's not Lebron so he's unathletic. Damn, Prhaps
Good point. The gurl doth protest too much, methinks. Shhhhhhhhh....
Holla black.
smh short DPG is such an annoying poster
Agreed. He get's stereotyped as being limited skills wise because of his otherworldly athleticism, but the reality is, he's the best ball handling PF in the league, one of the best passing PF's in the league and he's got an underrated post game, as well as a developing mid range jumper.
It's probably because he had an all time great rookie season, but the expectations have been too high the past few seasons; as if he was going to be a finished product by his second or third season. He's not going to reach the level of James or Durant and if I could build around him or Davis, I'd pick Davis, but he's clearly on track to be, at minimum, a top ten player for the next decade and a future Hall-of-Famer.
Overrated: Marc Gasol. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good all around player, but is far too deferential, a pathetic rebounder given his size/strength and not particularly dominant in any one area.
Underrated: Parker. He's in his 12th season and he just keeps getting better (who else can you say that about?), to the point now where he's either the second or third best PG in the league and a borderline top ten player overall.
I was thinking about including Marc Gasol as well, tbh..
His 1 on 1 offense is very overrated, and while he's a solid defensive player, he has arguably the best perimeter D in the NBA to aid him..he's a high-end role player, like Chandler, rather than a franchise-caliber guy..
parker ain't the fastest player in NBA imho, but he has good jump-shooting skill which makes it more difficult to guard him than those who have nothing but speed.
Not sure about Vasquez being overrated. Sure he's not the most athletic PG, but he can shoot, is a pretty good passer, and hits the boards. Most games this season he's been a triple-double threat.
He's improved his numbers every year in the league and has become a leader on a young Hornets squad that's improving its iden y. I really like his game. Sure he's no CP but many in N.O. have been pleasantly surprised at this kids progression.
Vasquez is a Solid PG but will never be a star. I would compare him to Jarret Jack. Good to solid but never going to lead a team to the Finals...
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