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Even when he admits it's his fault he still comes off as a narcissistic
I dont recall, but did Hakkem Kareem etc did it with 3 other HOF in team, which cost 100 mln annually and being league scoring leader ?
Even when he admits it's his fault he still comes off as a narcissistic
Missing the playoffs is missing the playoffs. Shaq had Nash and Amare ... Pau is only a HOF based on international play ...and NAsh is old. What does that sound like ... excuses? Exactly. Lakers dont deserve excuses and the other guys that missed it don't either ...
And that is a surprise? he always has been ...what is your point? Was he less of one when he was winning?
stop talking about kobe
I dont mind I came here for that ... I was just pointing out how is taht a newsflash? The guy is an asshole ...
You guys bashing Kobe is why I cam here and chose the username I did ...If I wanted to see more Kobe knob polishing would of logged on to LG ...
actually hes really nice tbh
Doubt it. Cool maybe. Generous...sure (money not with passing LOL)
But the guys has called himself an asshole and I have watched him since day one ...I agree. But of course, I dont know him, so just basing it off interviews etc. So it is specualtive ...
He reminds of the Eminem song "whatever I say I am" ...
he lives right by me, every person that sees him which is alot says hes really cool. never heard one bad thing from any other locals. but i think he means in term of basketball, like if you suck hes going to be an a hole. sounds like he says that to motivate imho
I'm just pointing out that even when he's admitting it's his fault and attempting to be "humble," he still makes a lot of backhanded comments and it basically reads like "yeah we suck, I'll take the blame cus it's MY team, I eat first, I'm the leader etc, but really these s need to play harder or Mitch needs to make a trade"
kind of sounds like ur making it up in your head tbh. lol even he takes blame you find a way toit.. i dont understand why your so obsessed with what he says all the time.
I think you are right. But I did not read it as he was being humble. I think he was frustrated with continued questions on what is wrong and he took the blame. I think part of it was definitely ego driven ... but his ego has been out of control since day 1. .. But Lee look at this forum. Very few are blaming Dwight or Mike d so he is right ... if you look at the posters here it is HIS team because most of the blame is being placed directly on him and rightfully so.
I just laugh because when rings are discussed in regards to legacy it's a "team accompishment" but when the Lakers suck it's a Kobe failure ...
But Hey I blame him too but the hypocrisy of some of the posters here is hilarious ... let me say it again Im placing the majority of the blame here on Kobe for Toronto and the Miami game. But also so give him a lot of the praise for the rings too ...
There is a world of difference in Dirk saying that and Kobe. Again, if this was the Smush Parker Lakers, I fully understand complaining. But when you have HOF/Still Healthy/2 time MVP Nash, Dwight Howard, MVP Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol you look like a spoiled can't cut it hack who needs the deck so unbelievably stacked in your favor to win that you aren't considered an all time great.
Dirk is playing with a bunch of 1 year deal, non-superstar players with 1/100th of the basketball talent or pedigree that Kobe's teammates have.
Vince and Marion are borderline HOF candidates (especially VC) both are former all-stars .. Which is all Nash and Pau are at this point as well. I agree they have under-achieved and Kobe deserves some of the blame ...
But a star not happy with his team that is under-performing makes sense to me ... my point is Mavs have played better since so maybe Kobe is grasping at straws ... not sure why.
Just find the uproar on here about it "amusing". LOL at Calling Kobe a "hack" ...
DPG you know you my boy but you better than that ...
How is losing in the first round with HCA much diffrent than missing the playoffs? And does Kobe help his legacy by sneaking them in as an 8th seed?
Look not saying this to flame duncan ...but aren't both Kobe and duncan past their primes? ALL im saying is fans here make excuses for who they want to. I get it ...but just calling out those that do (not speaking of you DPG)
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If you complain about your teammates and say things like "if this is all management can do, I'll just have to roll with it"when you have one of the most stacked teams talent wise (regardless of fit) - IMO you are a front running coattailer.
Have you ever heard Duncan say something like that? He's been dealing with Bonner/Blair/Diaw front court mates for a while now..Kobe has never, and I mean never taken a team that wasn't a pretty unanimous clear cut favorite from a talent standpoint to a finals.
I dont think Lakers were clear-cut favorites in 2008 but whatever that is debatable. We all know Tim and Kobe have little in common ... how is this team stacked? They are way top heavy but the top heavy pieces are old or coming off back injury ... I agree they are playing worse than their talent but this team is not great. To me Kobe deserves more blame for losing in 2004 than he would for this season but that is just me ...he was in his prime And Shaq was closer to his.
I actually agree Kobe's legacy should take a hit for this season, I just think it is a small one ... and you guys are actling like it should take him out of top 10 consideration which is silly. The fact is most of you never had him in it in the first place ...and are just using this as a leg to stand on in that argument or to further Duncan over Kobe debates.
Once the Lakeshow got Gasol, they were definitely the favorite in 2008 (in the West, I assume DPG means that since he's talking about Kobe taking a team to the finals) and a lot of people thought they would beat the Celtics that year. But as far as the WC goes, the Lakers had a good record before Gasol came, and once he was there, it was over. Everyone knew they would be representing the West that year (outside of Spurs fans who didn't foresee Manu hurting his ankle that postseason)
And by the way, I'm not discrediting Kobe's game or anything, just his at ude. Dude is balling this year, although recently his numbers are falling back to Earth, but with the talent he has maybe he shouldn't be taking 25+ shots a game like he's playing with Smush Parker and Chris Mihm next to him instead of Steve Nash and Dwight Howard.
Also for the most part, his defense has been pretty atrocious this year
So a superstar requires good teammates to win games? Really? Whatever happens to the ranking players by # of championships arguments?
And you make it sound like a franchise player not having great leadership is a forgivable flaw. It’s not. It’s a major part of being a franchise player.
Because management made a huge change and mortgage their entire future and flexibility already. And also because this is pretty much the best roster money can buy. Dirk did that because everybody can see the Mavs roster is horrible, and Dirk didn’t have a history of throwing his teammates under the bus.
The best big in the league is not enough.
A HoF PG designed to run an efficient offense is not enough
A turn back the clock year by one of the best defensive SF in league history is not enough.
Kobe has to have perfection in the roster, because he deserves it, right? We are not talking about winning a championship, we are talking about making the playoffs, or at least have a respectable run.
So after saying Kobe is 50% responsible for the last two losses (not the season, just the two losses), you are saying Pau is the problem, and getting rid of him and him alone will make the Lakers a better team. I can see why you are such a big fan of Kobe, because both of you think the universe revolves around Kobe.
Hmmm, Hakeem missed the playoffs after half his team was kicked out of the league for drug abuse, and he missed 12 games due to an eye socket injury (if I remember correctly).
Kareem missed the playoffs because his team went 3-13 when he missed games due to an injured wrist, and would have made the playoffs easily if his team had the same winning percentage in those 16 games as they had with him in the other games. Missed another playoffs because of divisions-based playoff rosters, and finishing with a better record than 3 other playoff teams in the same conference that year.
Shaq missed the playoffs in his rookie year, hardly his prime
Nash has never been, and will never be in the conversation of top 10 ever, probably not even top 20 or 30 ever in any reasonable discussions.
Looking forward to the day when you mentioned how the Spurs missed the playoffs during Robinson’s prime (when he played 6 games), or how Jordan missed the playoffs when he was playing with the Wizards.
Kobe with that passive-aggressive gibberish tbh.
You can't be serious. You are talking about a washed-up ring chasing shaq on a phoenix team that didn't have Amare for 30 games, no JRich for 25, and no Bell for 60 games, that Suns team?
A butt-hurt pissed off troll...
So much failure and assumptions in your response:
1. Where did I say that he lacked leadership? OR did I say that if he did it was forgiveable? Also I read the whole quote ....Kobe never asked for more help. I trusted the dumbasses on this forum and ran with that but the full quote did not even say that ...in fact he said no ... here is the full quote Does Bryant believe the Lakers' front office needs to make a move? "No," he said. "Listen, if this is what we're rolling with, I can't make excuses. I have to go out there and do my job."
2. Please don't misquote me I said when two player are close (Bird and Magic or duncan/Shaq/Kobe) rings should be the decidor. I never said it is flat rings means you are better. But nice try.
3. I dont care who has what on their team ... I have no issue with any star player especially a proven champion ... making a complaint if the end resut is wanting to win. Kobe gripes about management helped spur the Gasol trade.
4. Thanks for spinning another fine example of the hypocrisy on this thread. Shaq misses the playoffs twice and you excuse both. With the he is not in in his prime and or other injury excuses. I am making none for Kobe ... or this version of the Lakers but plenty can make similar BS excuses. Let me ask you this is Kobe, Nash or Pau in their primes? Have the Lakers had injuries. So let's go ahead excuse this one for Kobe ... No. So get out of there with that hypocritical bull- . Or how about using the Smush or Kwame excuse for 2005? He MISSED the playoffs period. You have made that case so why does Hakeem. Kareem or Shaq get a pass remember bigs ALSO have more impact on the game ...remember?
5. Please define at LEAST for me ...I never said only 50% ...and the reason I used the last 2 games because they have been two of his least efficient efforts all season and I think that (his performance) is what sparked his comments you guys have taken out of context. Of course he deserves blame for this season ... go back and read what I said earlier his legacy deserves a hit if he misses but it should not be a huge one because how is squeaking in to the playoffs make this season any better? I never once bought in to this team as legit le contenders in fact I have not argued that since we got swept by the Mavs. My respect for Kobe doesnt blind me to the fact he is past his prime and the HOF help he has is not being utilized properly by the coach or Kobe. But even before this season started one of the biggest Laker fans anyone could ever know (me) picked the Lakers to lose in the WCF. So for me failure is not making it to the WCF ANYTHING short of the second round of the palyoffs was a failure based on my assessment of the team's ceiling of the WCF and a success if they made it that far. A first round loss to avoid the didnt miss playoffs stigma does little for me.
6. I never said it was all on Pau, or he is the reason for us losing. I said he still has value and they could addreess to other needs ... please show me where I said it was all on Pau.
Look I know amb you are enjoying the Lakers (and Kobe's struggles) but no need to make-up or make assumptions on things I post. I have not played the injury card or the "not in prime" card but if you can play that for duncan losing 1 to 8 or shaq missing the playoffs with a Nash 3 years younger than this one or for Hakeem ... I dont get why you act so obtuse here. Are you arguing Kobe is in his prime? Are you arguing that this version of Nash is better than the one Shaq played with?
Thing is you can be a great poster but your hate blinds you here. Of course I have some Kobe bias, to a degree, Im a Laker fan ...but your hate clouds your posting ability mightily. You make some good points but your disdain for Kobe makes you take such wild leaps to where you take something i said and infer all kinds of crap behind it. I think I would enjoy you discussing something non Kobe or Duncan related. Like Maybe Isiah vs. Cp3 vs. stockton. Or GP vs. Kidd
But duncan and Kobe? your posts are e
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ambchang going in on killakobe, who's still making excuses for Kobe.
Missing the playoffs is missing the playoffs.
Yes. Missing the PO with 3 HOF teammates and $100,000,000 in salary is the same as missing the playoffs as a rookie, or with for a roster.
Kobe = most overrated player in NBA history.
I guess once a always a ...news flash asshole..Duncan hasn't had to deal with the attrition and constant change in teammates that Kobe has...he's basically played with the same core of Manu and TP for at least 10 yrs maybe more? Kobe's had to deal with constant change...so there's a major ing difference...Duncan has always basically had the same core...which btw are both HOF players.
hard as it may be for your midget ass try to at least be intellectually honest here...
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