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kyrie irving? the guy stat-pads on a losing team...the Kevin Love of PGs.
(Posted on December 22nd 2013)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...rds-in-the-nba
1. Chris Paul
2. Derick Rose
3. Kyrie Irving
4.Russell Westbrook
5. Rajon Rondo
6. Deron Williams
7. Tony Parker
8. Stephen Curry
9. Steve Nash
10. Ricky Rubio
Aside from Parker clearly being more efficient player an Westbrook and Rose missing the season, so far, any other beefs with with this list?
kyrie irving? the guy stat-pads on a losing team...the Kevin Love of PGs.
TP is #2 or #3 at the least, imo
and lol at fatass Deron Williams being above him as well Ra_on Rondo
I can't get to mad at Kyrie. He's a young player on a bad team, but they should get better.
CP3
Rondo
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Williams
Irving
Nash
Rubio
Rose
My list is based on what's going on now, not the future. I also take into account what's required by each point guard to make their team successful and not a cookie cutter idea of what a pg should or shouldn't do.
Exactly. CP3 is one. Parker and Westbrook are 2 and 3. You can switch it around depending on what you value in a point guard.
But, yeah, Bleacher Report from a month ago? Yeah, no. No.
Bleacher Report
Highly disagree on Rondo. He's been a huge disappointment this season after his great playoff run. Consider this: the Celtics are better when he's on the bench this season -- and they don't even have a backup point guard. Add in the fact that he's now a mediocre defender all of a sudden and there's no way to put him ahead of Westbrook or Parker.
My top ten off the top of my head:
1. CP3
2. Westbrook/Parker, Parker/Westbrook
4. Curry
5. Irving
6. Rondo
7. Holiday
8. Conley
9. Williams
10. Lillard
If Rose is healthy when he returns, it probably won't take him long to get back to No. 2.
Has Rose even played this season??
And yet Tony and Rondo are the only ones with rings on their hand.
No. And he was out last season. And who knows how good he will be when he gets back. This list is pretty stupid. Parker, the way he has learned to balance scoring and passing, is the second best point guard in the league, and isn't the second by much.
Unfortunately, most people that rate on that site are influenced by past hype and not actual results. If it were so, Parker would be highly recognized. He was an MVP candidate last year (how many others on that list were), and he's playing even better this year after a brief, slow start.
Have to agree with Uncle Timmy VP. Rondo has been a massive disappointment. Their team is struggling largely in part to his sub par play (he is still damn good overall and can have a big impact). His offense has not expanded much and they really needed him to make that jump. He is hitting a few more threes but you can't count on it, he has moments where he hesitates less on jump shots, but not often enough and his defense has been pretty bad. Not to mention his at ude has gotten worse. When you factor that in, there is no way you can put Rondo in the top 5 at the moment IMO.
Chris Paul
Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
Steph Curry
Deron Williams
Conley/Holiday - Holiday/Conley
Rondo
Lillard
Then as of late a group of Lawson, Jameer Nelson, Vasquez, Lowry (who was a top 10 PG before he lost his spot to Calderon due to injury).
Parker is at least top 3.Bleacher Report
John Wall has been playing well since coming back from injury
if he gets a jumpshot i would put him improve ronjo
Now granted, I didn't click the link and read any qualifiers, but if it's based on this year how can Rubio, Nash and Rose on there?
How you could put Deron ahead of Tony at this point in their careers is an absolute travesty.
Currently healthy, Tony is the 2nd best PG in the game. When Rose comes back, he'll be 3rd. If Tony got the treatment that Westbrick does, he'd average 26+ points a game.
If we disregard Bleacher Report's list of players then I'd go like this
CP3
Rondo
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Holiday
Lillard
Williams
Conley
Nash
I can give you the point that the numbers say the Celtics are better when Rondo is on the bench. He plays about 37 minutes a game. The question I ask is would the Celtics be better if Rondo wasn't on the team. Everything he does for his team makes him number two for me.
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Rose
Paul
Parker
Rondo
Westbrook
this would be my top 5
No way coach killer should be ahead of Parker.
What a farce. It's crap like this that keeps Tony motivated IMO. He's a top 3 PG period. His unique abilities and clutchness, defense, and numbers warrant top 3.
I used to think that too (keeping Tony motivated) but he's never gotten due credit outside of rings and an MVP trophy. Surely he's accustomed to that by now, being in SA.
The only career difference between Westbrook and Irving is Russell plays alongside Durant on a winning team. The overall numbers are nearly identical.
fg% 3ptfg% ft% apg stpg topg ppg Ortg Drtg
Westbrook .429 .301 .816 7.0 1.6 3.5 19.5 106 107
Irving .464 .399 .856 5.5 1.3 3.3 20.3 108 109
And over half of Westbrook's assists are to Durant. Irvings assists are to scrubs A B C or D. And a funny thing about asists, the opposing player has to convert and it happens far too less for Irving. Westbrook isn't nearly as good as people make him out to be.
LOL @ Jumi for leaving Irving off his top ten.
Edit- Well, the columns were aligned when I posted. I'm not sure what happened.
Pretty good list, but a bit too shortsighted. Nash is obviously a longtime top ten PG and was a top 7 PG as late as last season, but because of a somewhat rocky start in a highly dysfunctional situation, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt? I think players who have perennially been at an elite or near elite level deserve that.
And I'm not sure if you forgot Lowry or not, but I don't see an argument for Conley or Lillard being better than him. Like Gasol, Conley is quickly becoming overrated for being underrated.
I'm judging with most of the weight on this season. Nash hasn't played much and has been pretty meh when he has played. Lowry hasn't even been the best PG on his own team. In fact, he's pretty much turned into a stat hog coach killer who really doesn't help teams win.
As for Irving, I can't put him any higher since he's the worst defensive player in the NBA. The absolute worst. I might have put him too high the more I think about how bad he is on D.
I'm a Parker hater and all, but Parker is one of the top three point guards in the NBA. Kyrie Irving? GTFO with that bull .
And Ricky Rubio in the top 10?
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