Australia's Gun Ban Backfiring?

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you running from a direct question like a little ?

It's funny because the only reason you are asking the question is because you are running away from the implementation issue like a little .

I stipulate that many mass killers do it for notoriety. We can also stipulate that many mass killer use guns.

My direct question to you is how do you think your little scheme will work?

[CosmicCowboy]

It is a fact that the freedom of the press is not unlimited.

Yes, at times we do limit First Amendment freedoms. While the text of the First Amendment references that “Congress shall make no law,” there are some limited types of speech that do not receive free-speech protection. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes famously expressed this point when he wrote that “the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.” Holmes’s famous phrase means that not all forms of speech are protected. For example, the First Amendment does not protect obscenity, child pornography, true threats, fighting words, incitement to imminent lawless action, criminal solicitation or defamation.

I think there is a case to be made that glorifying the shooters by putting their names and pictures on the front page of every paper and magazine is an incitement for other low self esteem whackos that want to go out in a blaze of glory.

[ChumpDumper]

It is a fact that the freedom of the press is not unlimited.



I think there is a case to be made that glorifying the shooters by putting their names and pictures on the front page of every paper and magazine is an incitement for other low self esteem whackos that want to go out in a blaze of glory.

In my opinion, it's an impressively weak case considering one of the words you bolded and underlined is imminent.

Let's go with a real world example: How would your scheme be practically implemented in the case of Jared Loughner?

[boutons_deux]

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

[CosmicCowboy]

In my opinion, it's an impressively weak case considering one of the words you bolded and underlined is imminent.

Let's go with a real world example: How would your scheme be practically implemented in the case of Jared Loughner?

Might be. Stranger things have happened in the supreme court.

What is your argument that it is important to publish the shooters names and pictures? What good does it serve the public?

[CosmicCowboy]

In my opinion, it's an impressively weak case considering one of the words you bolded and underlined is imminent.

Let's go with a real world example: How would your scheme be practically implemented in the case of Jared Loughner?

Did you forget the original position you were arguing against?

As I have said before the best way to stop mass shootings is to make it illegal to mention their name or post a photo of them

The media has to choose from a select list of names they can use starting with "dumbass""loser" "freakazoid" "idiot" etc.

Going down in a blaze of "glory" knowing their name, picture, and life story will be on every newspaper and TV show in the country will be a lot less attractive to these ing nutcases.


"in the latest news another ing idiot decided to kill some innocent bystanders before killing himself Can't believe these dumbasses think we will give a about them. I'm glad he is dead."

Not exactly a motivational speech for a nutcase.

[ChumpDumper]

Might be. Stranger things have happened in the supreme court.

What is your argument that it is important to publish the shooters names and pictures? What good does it serve the public?

Cons utionally, neither importance nor public good are needed to justify freedom of speech or the press. The burden is on you to prove why those rights must be abrogated.

Enough straw. How would your scheme work with Jared Loughner?

[CosmicCowboy]

Cons utionally, neither importance nor public good are needed to justify freedom of speech or the press. The burden is on you to prove why those rights must be abrogated.

Enough straw. How would your scheme work with Jared Loughner?

You aren't that stupid. If we didn't glorify shooters maybe that sick little would have just offed himself instead of killing those kids. Obviously banning assault weapons didn't stop him.

[ChumpDumper]

Did you forget the original position you were arguing against?

Are you pretending this isn't the opposite of the freedom of press?


I'm sorry, I forgot this wasn't serious at all.

Carry on.

[ChumpDumper]

You aren't that stupid. If we didn't glorify shooters maybe that sick little would have just offed himself instead of killing those kids. Obviously banning assault weapons didn't stop him.

Show me a news account that glorified any mass killer.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nevermind the complete lack of anything resembling motive but is there really an argument that Lanza did this for glory? He went to a school that he went to as a child. He also supposedly had aspergers which limits empathy in others. It's possible that he was incapable of understanding 'glory.' Everyone has a theory and anything is possible I guess but the glory motive is far down my list of possibilities..

[CosmicCowboy]

I confess that as an extremely rational person I have a problem understanding the twisted minds of shooters like Loughner. They obviously go into it expecting to die, since they kill themselves when they get cornered. The desire to go out in a "blaze of glory" certainly presents itself as a rational explanation but I'm not sure an irrational mind sees it the same way.

Anyone else want to offer an explanation of why they do it?

[ChumpDumper]

I confess that as an extremely rational person I have a problem understanding the twisted minds of shooters like Loughner. They obviously go into it expecting to die, since they kill themselves when they get cornered. The desire to go out in a "blaze of glory" certainly presents itself as a rational explanation but I'm not sure an irrational mind sees it the same way.

Anyone else want to offer an explanation of why they do it?

Mebbe they just want to kill a bunch of people. There are certainly mass killers who at least had an escape plan.

[CosmicCowboy]

Mebbe they just want to kill a bunch of people. There are certainly mass killers who at least had an escape plan.

Seriously not arguing but those were usually political (at least in the mind of the killer) (Oklahoma City)

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously not arguing but those were usually political (at least in the mind of the killer) (Oklahoma City)

Jonesboro and Seal Beach come to mind off the top of my head. I'm sure there are enough examples of both that generalizations can't be made one way or another.

[TSA]

Nevermind the complete lack of anything resembling motive but is there really an argument that Lanza did this for glory? He went to a school that he went to as a child. He also supposedly had aspergers which limits empathy in others. It's possible that he was incapable of understanding 'glory.' Everyone has a theory and anything is possible I guess but the glory motive is far down my list of possibilities..

Hmmmmm.....your post seemed to be skipped over. Like I said before, give up your own guns before telling others to give up their own. Until then it seems you'll be ignored on these type of topics, hypocrite.

[mouse]

Seems like you need to hit the gun range and let off some steam brah.

This time I must give Agloco major props!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hmmmmm.....your post seemed to be skipped over. Like I said before, give up your own guns before telling others to give up their own. Until then it seems you'll be ignored on these type of topics, hypocrite.

Look at CC's post immediately follow mine. Think about it and think about some exercises to help improve your reading comprehension. Below is something that might help you. We can work on critical thinking after you master reading.

http://www.superteacherworksheets.co...rehension.html

Please point to a post of mine where I call for any guns to be confiscated. This will be the last time I respond to this misrepresentation. It's not avoidance. You are just not worth the time.

[TSA]

Look at CC's post immediately follow mine. Think about it and think about some exercises to help improve your reading comprehension. Below is something that might help you. We can work on critical thinking after you master reading.

http://www.superteacherworksheets.co...rehension.html

Please point to a post of mine where I call for any guns to be confiscated. This will be the last time I respond to this misrepresentation. It's not avoidance. You are just not worth the time.

It appears he was just responding to ChumpDumper and you just chimed in and were skipped over. I guess only CC can clear that up. Was your entire Australia argument not about confiscation aka "gun buy back"?

You say you aren't avoiding......and I say that is absolute bull . You say I'm not worth the time, yet you keep coming back. Can you at least tell me why you won't answer the questions I've put out there?

Fuzzy, you own a gun correct? If you are so desperate to follow Australia's lead why haven't you given your gun up? I'm guessing you keep it for protection no? Do you think it's fair the Australian's had to give up their firearms used for protection? Do you think the criminals gave up their guns? Do you think it is now easier for criminals to commit crimes being that they are the only ones with guns now and have nothing to fear but a baseball bat and a knife?

Why do you refuse to answer? You are an anonymous Internet person, a fuzzylumpkin, who gives a . I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, especially on a message board where no one knows me personally. Seriously dude, stop being such a little . State your opinions on the subject.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You still haven't done the worksheets. Until you demonstrate at least a HS reading level I am only going to give you tutoring advice.

[TSA]

Do you honestly think you are funny?

[TSA]

How did it feel to get your pushed in so hard by one you consider to be below your intelligence level?

[TSA]

This will be the last time I respond to this misrepresentation. It's not avoidance. You are just not worth the time.

[Wild Cobra]

I confess that as an extremely rational person I have a problem understanding the twisted minds of shooters like Loughner. They obviously go into it expecting to die, since they kill themselves when they get cornered. The desire to go out in a "blaze of glory" certainly presents itself as a rational explanation but I'm not sure an irrational mind sees it the same way.

Anyone else want to offer an explanation of why they do it?

I wish i could. The purpose eludes me as well.

[Blake]

How did it feel to get your pushed in so hard by one you consider to be below your intelligence level?

I'm not sure you have as much on the tip of your as you think you do