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    With President Obama finally open about his overtly liberal POV and America reacting with extremely positive numbers.

    With Hilary Clinton looking to take the mantle in four years and just as liberal....



    Is this the beginning of the first real Progressively Liberal Era in America?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Clinton isn't a progressive

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    What is the reason for this?

    Media with it's Thirty years of pushing a more liberal view point?

    Debt, from a large amount of the right dismissing both parties?

    America as a whole tired of policing the world (I remember Bush getting a large amount of votes in 2000 with his anti nation building rhetoric)?

    Generation after generation of people coming to expect more and more "help" from the Federal government?

    Violent video games?

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    New Nationalism, new deal, new frontier and the great society would like to meet you SnC.

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    What is the reason for this?

    Media with it's Thirty years of pushing a more liberal view point?

    Debt, from a large amount of the right dismissing both parties?

    America as a whole tired of policing the world (I remember Bush getting a large amount of votes in 2000 with his anti nation building rhetoric)?

    Generation after generation of people coming to expect more and more "help" from the Federal government?

    Violent video games?
    Cyclical. Republicans have been steadily marching right word and are now having to be pulled back like a dog on a chain.

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    Roger Ailes dominates the news nowadays and he is hardly liberal. It's fun to act like Fox News hasn't been the most significant US media development in the last 50 years but it is what it is.

    Its not so much that the Dems are doing anything as it is the GOP is a cluster . There are about 2 dozen Norquist scions that are ing the GOP up and making them look like fools. As such the Democrats are benefiting while Boehner looks the fool. The Dems by and large are hardly progressive. They have many shard interests as the GOP because of who pays for their elections.

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    Cyclical. Republicans have been steadily marching right word and are now having to be pulled back like a dog on a chain.
    The cycle was 70 or so years.

    1865 - 1928 saw the GOP dominate. 1929 - 1994 saw the Democrats in control. Since then its been a see saw but if the GOP keeps this up they'll be going back to 1929. Too much Herbert Hoover ineptness going on in the GOP nowadays.

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    With President Obama finally open about his overtly liberal POV and America reacting with extremely positive numbers.

    With Hilary Clinton looking to take the mantle in four years and just as liberal....

    Is this the beginning of the first real Progressively Liberal Era in America?
    I support all the PROGRESS that Barry SAID yesterday, but we know he won't get ALL of it done, or even ANY of it.

    The Repugs control the House and SCOTUS, so extremism and obstructionism and Scalia-troll's false "originalism" have the power to stop all progress. The Repugs have used the 2010 census to gerrymander themselves into safe seats, and are planning to use that gerrymandering in tandem with proportional allocation of electoral votes to try to overcome their demographic disaster of being the party of racists, xenophobes, 1%, BigBusiness, older white, ignorant, low-wage rural males.
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    The Repugs control the House and SCOTUS, so extremism and obstructionism and Scalia-troll's false "originalism" have the power to stop all progress.
    it's your position, then, that Obama's first term was distinguished by zero progressive accomplishments?

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    I don't see any difference between the last 4 years and the previous 8, so this isn't the beginning of anything.

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    I don't see any difference between the last 4 years and the previous 8, so this isn't the beginning of anything.

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    False premise.

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    Only 1460 days to go

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    America held hostage

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    Cyclical. Republicans have been steadily marching right word and are now having to be pulled back like a dog on a chain.
    I don't see it, really.... what I see is both parties slowly becoming pretty nuch the same... same wasteful spending, same nation-building, same liberty-trampling, all in an effort to sway as many "moderate" voters as necessary to maintain power....

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    America held hostage

    Meh, only libs use the "hostage" schtick.

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    Meh, only libs use the "hostage" schtick.
    Sorry, that was Rush Limbaugh's show opener for years.

    Darrin fails.

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    Sorry, that was Rush Limbaugh's show opener for years.

    Darrin fails.


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    Darrin presses on, relying on his tired YouTube tactic. Still unable to lose the taint of his initial failure.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Only 1460 days to go
    to go for what?

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    Darrin presses on, relying on his tired YouTube tactic. Still unable to lose the taint of his initial failure.

    Chump listened to Rush Limbaugh, for years.

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    Chump listened to Rush Limbaugh, for years.
    Darrin tries to reverse the whip, with no success.

    I probably still would if Alex Jones wasn't on at the same time. More entertaining tbh.

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    the journalistic patter related to the inaugural speech reflects the theme in the thread le, fwiw. there are like four or five headlines to this effect on RCP alone.

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    With Tax Advantages Looking Shaky, Private Equity Seeks a New Path

    As Washington grapples with the country's fiscal woes, the private equity industry is grudgingly facing a new reality: its long-held tax advantages are likely to disappear.

    For years, private equity has quashed efforts to raise taxes on so-called carried interest income, the profits partners receive as part of their compensation. Those earnings are considered capital gains, so they are taxed at a much lower rate than ordinary income.


    While few concede defeat publicly, the industry is rethinking its strategy. Rather than trying to stop the changes outright, lawyers and executives behind the scenes are trying to minimize the hit if it happens.
    Private equity recognizes the shifting politics. In the current budget debate, sacred cows like the tax deductions for home mortgage interest and charitable donations are on the table, along with potential cuts to Social Security and Medicare.
    "Once they start looking for revenues, carried interest will be on the list,"

    Democrats and Republicans alike are looking at eliminating loopholes as part of a broader effort to overhaul the tax code. Changes to the treatment of carried interest could bring in $17 billion over 10 years,

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/01/21...-path.xml?f=19

    iow, without killing the loophole, p/e mgmt would pocket $17B over next 10 years.

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