I agree they will probably make a later seed, but I read they will be fine come playoffs, what is FINE? LE RUN? Fine to me means they are going to make a major run! Some said the Spurs will be fine a few times, them times early exits! What is fine? Thunder round one? Clippers round one? Spurs round one? How is that fine?
There's no guarantee they will make the playoffs unless another team totally collapses. They still have some of their toughest schedule left. They haven't shown the ability to beat any good teams.
Marc Gasol was a last second throw-in to make the numbers work... he wasn't the center piece of that swap, not even the 'sweetner' in the deal. For all intents and purposes Kwame Brown and Pau Gasol were being traded for one another... the fact that Marc Gasol eventually panned out doesn't change the fact that the trade was nothing short of 'grand larceny'. And what made matters worse is that it didn't allow the Grizz to shed any salary (as would have occurred if they had considered Toronto's or Indiana's preliminary propositions - ones that couldn't even be placed on the table given that the Lakers came out of no where to steal the older Gasol brother well before the trade deadline at a time when no one was making deals yet).
2-10 in their last 10 games? wat
And with the Blazers and Rockets in free fall, it's very possible the Lakers sneak in as the 8th seed
Getting into the playoff might be what the Lakers need to wake up, they're playing way below capacity
Hogwash!
Everyone and their mother knows that the Lakers are going to flip the switch any minute now and rip off like 32 wins in a row... Howard's going to start racking up triple doubles while Kobe becomes an assist monster... Just wait 'til Jordan Hill gets back...
Dallas is going to get hot and make a run. Lakers done. Rockets will make post season too.
Just cause he wasn't the center piece of the deal, is completely irrelevant, he was still apart of the deal. The Grizzlies have a bright future with Marc Gasol, who is only 27. True centers like him can produce at a high clip into their near to mid 30's. With Conley and Gay the can still contend after ZBO is done. Karma's a The Lakers may be forced to take pennies on the dollar because Pau can't fit with the new system.
It's completely relevant. At the time of the trade, he was an unknown quality with very little value. It was a lop-sided trade. Theres no getting over that. Gasol's emergence prevented it from being one of the most lop-sided trades in history, but that's in hindsight.
Phil Jackson must be thanking his lucky stars (yet again).
In the end they got a all star big man by trading an older all star, that can't be debated.
Agree to disagree.
Uh, no. You clearly don't understand how to look at something without applying hindsight to it. Gasol hadn't been picked yet. It was a ty trade for Memphis. The piece of the trade that homers used to defend it was Javaris Crittenton. THAT'S how bad a trade it was.
What is this nonsense? Are people trying to defend that sham Gasol trade?
Bottom line:
Before the trade, The Lakers were 1st round losers, and the Grizzlies were only 1 injured season from being 1st round losers.
5 years since:
Lakers:
Finals appearance
Champions
Champions
2nd round
2nd round
Grizzlies
lotto
lotto
lotto
2nd round, won in 1st because Pop torpedoed Splitter all damn year
1st round losers
1 series win in 5 years somehow trumps 2 les and a Finals run? Please.
Back to the topic
I still am convinced the Lakers make the playoffs. They keep losing games but they're not losing ground.
Rockets falling apart. Portland falling apart. Minnesota fell apart. These teams are refusing to make the Lakers pay.
Why? He would do a much better job. D'Antoni has no clue what he's doing. Even Mike Brown would do a better job. He would feed the post. D'Antoni doesn't have the athletes or 3pt shooters to implement his offense.Phil Jackson must be thanking his lucky stars (yet again).
You have to look at the schedules. I think the Lakers probably have the toughest part of their schedule left.
Exactly. Mike D'Antoni caught lightning in a bottle with the Suns. He had five guys who could play 40 minutes a night. Nash and Amare could run the pick and roll, Marion could run on the break and score without plays called for him, Joe Johnson (and later Barbosa) could pass and create his own shot, and Q Richardson (and later Raja Bell) could camp out and hit threes. They didn't have a bench, they didn't play defense, and they couldn't play half court. We all heard his adjustments on the sideline ("let's go, guys"). Everyone but the guy who hired him knew he was going to be a disaster.
QFT. The Lakers have been treading water with what should be the cupcake part of their schedule. They still have the Grammy road trip next week.
Jackson, probably, thinks it's precisely because he isn't there, that everything is falling apart....Phil Jackson must be thanking his lucky stars (yet again).
Did you read any of my posts? I said that trades can't be looked at in terms of immediate winners or losers. Take the Dwight Howard trade.
What if Howard leaves the Lakers in the off season for Dallas, Houston or his hometown (where his close friends with Josh Smith is ) Atlanta. All of a sudden that move for to trade for Howard becomes worthless because they gave up a 1st rounder and Bynum ( who is currently hurt) to get him. If he returns and plays well and becomes a star player for them going forward that looks like a bad trade for the Lakers
The Magic got Afflalo, Nicholson & 3 1st rounders. Both have played fairly well and what happens if those picks turn in to rotation players or become trade chips for better assets. Better yet since they don't have Howard they are in the lottery where they can trade up or even acquire another lottery pick because they have the flexibility to do so.
The Lakers already drafted Marc Gasol, in the 2007 draft with the 47th pick, so the Grizzlies knew exactly who they were acquiring. Gasol was traded in the following season.
I'm also a Spurs fan if you're wondering, i just hate when people simplify complicated things.
Marc Gasol was an average player in Spain in 2007, and a second rounder.
His value was less than Blair's.
Spurs tried to shop Blair for first rounder and failed.
Much less get a Love in exchange.
It's called business, and the NBA is a business in which the Lakers are supposed to be on top.
No matter what.
Period.
Wasn't Marc playing in the 2nd best league in the world while Blair was playing in a glorified D-League? (the joke known as NCAA Basketball) He was taken in 2007, not sure who you even brought up blair who was in '09. That 2007 draft, was actually pretty good overall.
Hey, remember that time when they got hammered by Detroit in the Finals? and then Shaq, Fischer, Payton, Malone, Foxx & Phil Jackson all left the team the following season and they missed the post season twice? Or the time the Spurs eliminated the 3x champions. Me neither, I guess you're right about the Lakers supposed to win it all because of Stern.
Yes, I read your posts. My mistake about Gasol. The Grizzlies were not trading talent for talent, they were looking to shed Gasol's contract so they could sell the team. That his brother developed into a good player is good for the team, the new owners and the fans, but it makes that no less of a lopsided trade. As you said, I guess we have to agree to disagree about it, but I do see what you're driving at.
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